onslaught clarification

[devilrules]

hi, never really paid attention th onslaught rule as i haven't realy seen the point of it to allow an advancing unit to charge due to the fact you have to advance before you know if you cast this successfully. Reading the wording though I have noticed something which I wanted to clarrify.

If i drop an acid spray tyrannofex in a tyrannocyte I can only shoot 2d6 as I count as moving. onslaught says it removes any hit penalties for moving.

Now i know the answer to this is probably no, but if i use onslaught am i therefore free of the reduced shooting penalty?

[infornography]

If it just says it removes to hit penalties then that is all it removes. If it says that it shoots as if it stayed still then it would shoot twice, I don't have the codex in front of me but I'm pretty sure it is the former, not the latter.

[devilrules]

thats what i thought, with an exocrine of you move you get a -1 due to it being a heavy and it looses its +1 skill.

would you therefore hit on 3s or 4s if you use onslaught?

[infornography]

Unclear. depends on precise wording and it could go either way.

[kazetanade]

it's just ignoring the penalties for moving and shooting heavy, or for advancing and shooting assault. Additionally, it may charge even if it advanced.

An Exocrine hits on a 4+ normally, so Onslaught means an Exocrine gets 4+ to Hit with 6 shots if it moved. 

[zimko]

It also allows you to move and advance and still shoot heavy weapons without penalty when normally you can't shoot them at all. This is very good for Hive Guard on turn 1 when you need to get them into a good position to hide and be in range of targets.

[devilrules]

still very situatinal and not enough benefit. will stick to not bothering

[devilrules]

cheers for the info

[zimko]

I suppose that depends on your list. It's certainly one of our best powers though and I'd recommend learning how to use it.

[Hive Bahamut]

One of these games I'm going to successfully Onslaught OOE.. That geriatric old relic will run along Hivestrains smashing stuff apart screaming about where he put his medication, and how the youth of today is wrecking the world.

Very useful power, too lynchpin to rely on though. A very good supplement to an unexpected angle.

[brianb9999]

May 2, 2018 20:34:15 GMT zimko said:

It also allows you to move and advance and still shoot heavy weapons without penalty when normally you can't shoot them at all. This is very good for Hive Guard on turn 1 when you need to get them into a good position to hide and be in range of targets.

I'm still not convinced this is the case...the wording is a little but unclear. I think the "even if it advanced" part is only to pertaining to advancing and shooting assault weapons. However, you can still move your Hive Guard and get into a better firing position turn 1 and pop onslaught to effectively add 5" to their range, which can make all the difference with Hive Guard.

[kazetanade]

May 2, 2018 20:34:15 GMT zimko said:

It also allows you to move and advance and still shoot heavy weapons without penalty when normally you can't shoot them at all. This is very good for Hive Guard on turn 1 when you need to get them into a good position to hide and be in range of targets.

I didnt have this understanding... you sure Abiut it?

[zimko]

May 8, 2018 12:57:19 GMT kazetanade said:

May 2, 2018 20:34:15 GMT zimko said:

It also allows you to move and advance and still shoot heavy weapons without penalty when normally you can't shoot them at all. This is very good for Hive Guard on turn 1 when you need to get them into a good position to hide and be in range of targets.

I didnt have this understanding... you sure Abiut it?

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I mean, it's in the onslaught rule that it does this. They put it in parentheses that they can fire heavy weapons normally even if they advanced. The index did not have the extra 'even if they advanced' bit so it was debated endlessly in the index. But then the codex explicitly says that you can you move AND advance and still fire heavy weapons without penalty. So to me, this is a very important power when running Hive Guard. That extra d6 movement on turn 1 can get them in an ideal position so that they don't have to move the rest of the game, and therefore gain the benefit of Kronos to reroll 1s.