Best turn 1 chargers post-FAQs?

[russellr]

So the rules have changed, quite massively regarding units appearing and charging in turn 1.

Alpha legions have Forward Operatives, which almost guarantees Infantry units can charge in the first turn, at the cost of 1 CP each. Epic.

GSC have a pretty limited ambush that's too random to be amazing, but at least it still works.

What other tactics survived, that we can either use, or should be wary of?

[autoxidation]

Kraken Genestealer slingshot is still very viable. Uses Kraken, Swarmlord, and Opportunistic Advance twice (once in the movement phase and again during Hive Commander move). Average of 36" of movement not counting charge distance.

[gigasnail]

shunt abilities for GK still work, da jump still works for orks. wings of fire still works for BA.

[russellr]

I think admech have a similar deployment tactic too.

[guy]

Apr 22, 2018 6:56:28 GMT autoxidation said:

Kraken Genestealer slingshot is still very viable. Uses Kraken, Swarmlord, and Opportunistic Advance twice (once in the movement phase and again during Hive Commander move). Average of 36" of movement not counting charge distance.

Isn't there a rule stating you can only use the same stratagem once per phase ?

[kittbash]

Apr 22, 2018 8:31:25 GMT guy said:

Apr 22, 2018 6:56:28 GMT autoxidation said:

Kraken Genestealer slingshot is still very viable. Uses Kraken, Swarmlord, and Opportunistic Advance twice (once in the movement phase and again during Hive Commander move). Average of 36" of movement not counting charge distance.

Isn't there a rule stating you can only use the same stratagem once per phase ?

I think he's talking about the extra movement you get from opportunistic advance is benefited from twice since the unit moves twice.

edit: spelling

[Kuku]

Nah. Use opportunistic advance during move phase, and again during shooting phase when using swarmlord ability. Not the same phase.

[Moontyranid]

Cult strat and primus works fine too

[wormlord666]

Ad mech has infiltrate if they play stygies World.

Sisters of battle has got some scoutmoves and celestine gives them some extra move.

Necron as covered in another thread.

We can take hive crone/Harpy or slingshot things.

Hormagaunts is usable with their long pile in if there is something to declare against... but then again they never kill anything.

Space marine scouts deploy 9” away but are not that dangerous except mayby to tie up things if you dont screen properly.

[dan3dim]

If pheromone trails allow model DS outside of deployment zone in turn one was legit, Raveners + Lictors could be one of best turn 1 charging for Nids.

( if you never heard of that tactic, head to thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/55393/wait-min-fixed-lictors to read more. Just in case. )


Ask your TO to see if it is permitted first before use this tactic because this will made everyone unhappy with it.

[gigasnail]

Yeah man that doesn't work.

[Indominus]

Apr 22, 2018 14:40:33 GMT gigasnail said:

Yeah man that doesn't work.

Or it might depending on what the rules team say in response to an email about it. Dont give up hope yet, it might be our only way of making some form of Alphastrike, plus it would make Lictors useful again! If you want to say it doesnt work, at least consider the fact that it might.

[gigasnail]

It doesn't work given both the FAQ and the examples they've given of things that work. Keep hoping if you want and it doesn't hurt to email the rules team, maybe this makes the next magic FAQ batch.

But no, it doesn't work right now.

[autoxidation]

Apr 22, 2018 8:31:25 GMT guy said:

Isn't there a rule stating you can only use the same stratagem once per phase ?

The movement phase and the shooting phase (when you use Hive Commander) are 2 separate phases.

Apr 22, 2018 9:36:53 GMT kittbash said:

I think he's talking about the extra movement you get from opportunistic advance is benefited from twice since the unit moves twice.

Kind of. The Tyranid FAQ clarified that you are allowed to use Opportunistic advance any time the unit would normally be allowed to advance. Since Hive Commander lets the unit make a normal move, you can use it again then. The movement bonus from advancing you're thinking about only applies to that phase; you don't get to move and advance, which modifies the movement stat, and then move again with the modified value and advance again, creating a new modified value.

[kazetanade]

On the topic of Opportunistic Advance, it actually says In The Movement Phase.

So the fact that it uses a Movement Phase strategem in the Shooting Phase... what does that lead to for "as if xxxxx Phase" abilities and strategems?