Back in business! 2000pts Kraken

[Broken Prophet]

Hey all!

I was just convinced to get back to 40k, and the newly released 8th edition.  After being away for approx. 6 years or so from all warhammer and tabletop-gaming (sold everything I had so I'm starting from scratch again) I decided to start building a Tyranid army

The thing is, I'm stubborn about themes... more so about how good they actually work in the game unfortunately. So right now I'm focused on building a close-combat focused army and after a few sketched I've decided to aim at something like the list below. I'm looking for some ideas and if it could actually stand a chance against other armies at all (I hate shooty stuff as you can see, and I don't wanna go Gaunt/swarm heavy).

I've noticed the "new thing" is to include 2-3 Flyrants, so I'm ditching that too.
I do like Raveners, Genestealers and tunnel-creatures, so I'm open for suggestions on how to make it better, but yet staying true to the theme of being a horde of footslugging creatures trying to get through the bulletstorm.

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Hive Fleet Kraken, 1994/2000pts (7 Command Points, 6 if I decide to put another Relic on either the Broodlord or Swarmlord)

BATALLION DETACHMENT

HQ - Swarmlord: Onslaught, The Horror
HQ - Broodlord: Catalyst

TROOP - 16 Genestealers: 4 Acid Maw
TROOP - 16 Genestealers: 4 Acid Maw
TROOP - 16 Genestealers: 4 Acid Maw

ELITE - 6 Venomthropes

FAST - 5 Raveners: Rending Claws, Spinefist


SPEARHEAD DETACHMENT

HQ - Old One Eye: Warlord (Adaptive Biology)

HEAVY - Carnifex: 2x Scything Talons, Adrenal Glands, Bone Mace, Spore Cysts, Toxin Sacs, Tusks
HEAVY - Carnifex: 2x Scything Talons, Adrenal Glands, Bone Mace, Spore Cysts, Toxin Sacs, Tusks
HEAVY - Stone Crusher Carnifex: 2x Wrecker Claws, Bio-Plasma, Thresher Scythe
HEAVY - Mawloc: Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs

[Broken Prophet]

No comments at all? :/

[nackanid]

For a themed army, I like it! You might want some more protection against shooting, maybe switch the venomthropes to a malanthrope.

Is everything Kraken?

[kittbash]

You might consider getting the trygon and 30 devilgants to make a hole for the stealers.

[Broken Prophet]

Nackanid>
Thanks man!
Dunno how the Malanthrope would protect "more" than the squad of Venomthropes really? Less range seems really bad...


Kittbash>
I got the Mawloc box, so I'm actually thinking about using it as a Trygon sometimes, but the Mawloc is so damn cheap and would be perfect as a distraction... not sure if the Devilgaunts combo with the Trygon is worth the points though :/
They would prob. blast a unit and then die, right?

[kittbash]

The mawloc is a nice distraction, and they might tie up a tank or two for a round before it dies. The devilgants can really do some work with 180 S4 shots.

[nackanid]

I prefer the malanthrope because it can not be targeted. A smart player will blast the venomthrope with say a tarox prime and then the protection is gone. With smart deployment you can easy protect all the genestealers!

If you have the points, the trygon/devilgaunt-combo is awesome!

[devilrules]

swarmord will need some protection, eitheer tyrant guard or a drop pod.
but i would prefer a flyrant instead, put as warlord with the -1 to hit trait, if in range of venomthropes that is -2 to hit and 100 points cheaper. i know you lose the extra movement bonus but with the double advance strat you dont really need it.
watch people waste a turn shooting at it without killing it and laugh

[nackanid]

Add adaptive biology and you have a pretty resilient big monster

[Broken Prophet]

Nackanid> I do get that the Malanthrope is "safer" as it's a character, but I just don't like that it needs to really stay close to stuff (meaning it would be awesome in a shooty list, but not so much for me who tries to advance with everything as fast as possible). Also, the "plan" with this list is to give my opponent too many options of what to shoot at, so at least something WILL reach his lines and rip them apart


Devilrules> Yeah, I guess he does :/ I'm just hoping that my opponent will have a hard time choosing what he wants to shoot down first.
Actually, I've scouted through this forum and alot of others and EVERYONE seems to play 2-4 Flyrants in their list, so I just decided to hate on it and refuse to even include a single Flyrant in my list
I know it's stupidly good, I'm just so damn tired of copying everyone eleses list...

I really wanna include more Genestealers, and maybe even 2 Broodlords, but I don't know if it's worth it?


Nackanid again> To what? Right now I use OOE as my Warlord, and he has that from the start. I could include another relic for one of my CP, but not sure if it's worth it, or what to get?

[devilrules]

problem with broodlords is once you charge the genestealers, if you fail his charge he is very easy to kill. its a shame begause my one if by far my best painted model.
i agree with what you say about flyrants though, thats why i usually only take1.
i always try to add a new twist to my army each time, i sometimes even take a crone and toxicrine

[Broken Prophet]

Devilrules> You mean if he doesn't reach into close combat? :/

Have you had any luck with OOE, or maybe even trying out how a Trygon Prime would work out? I'm mostly looking at hit'n'run units to use with the fall back rule from Kraken (looking mostly at Genestealers, Raveners and such at the moment).

[devilrules]

never used ooe but like the idea, had a lot of luck with a trygon with the fleet that rerolls charges, destroyed 3 tanks in 3 turns once (the strat to reroll failed wounds is your best friend). you have to leave it untill you have killed bubblewrap though.

Also love raveners had a lot of luck with them.