Novice Mistakes

[almostmercury]

Apologies if this is already a thread somewhere.

What are the biggest mistakes new players make playing 40k?

[gigasnail]

Not reading past the first sentence or two in a rule.

Thinking anything plays as well as it does in the fluff.

Watching video batreps and not realizing those guys often have about as much idea of rules and list building as dudes in your local shop do. Some sites are waaaayyyy worse than others...

[tomcaet]

Although this affects new players indirectly - carrying over rules from old editions to new. It's natural to assume things stay similar, but especially with 8th, a lot changed. Some rules get changed considerably, others may disappear entirely.

New players fall prey to that when learning the game from the veterans - while it's in fact a great way to learn, when under no time pressure, it won't hurt to see the rule being explained in official writing, with a FAQ/Errata if necessary.

Also, believing the rules rehashed in ways other than above (battlescribe, articles) unconditionally. They are as prone to mistakes as anything. Even some Warhammer Community posts.

If about something more specific to the game - thinking that you can only use one stratagem per phase in Matched? It's actually only use a stratagem once per phase. Seen it mentioned a couple times. And no limit if used outside of a phase.

Also, interpreting the command re-roll after FAQ to re-roll the whole roll. Actually in FAQ it's whole roll unless specified, and command re-roll is in fact specified to one die.

[cypheon]

Novice mistakes i see when i go into town? Forgetting a characters specific rules in their own army, like Deathguard players forgetting the "enemies who charge, or have a fights first ability, fight in normal order instead"... after 20 gs run head first into a nearby unit.

[sporelord]

Shooting at the closest target because it mistakenly provides the most immanent threat

[shadowfinder]

Feb 2, 2018 9:51:36 GMT tomcaet said:

Also, interpreting the command re-roll after FAQ to re-roll the whole roll. Actually in FAQ it's whole roll unless specified, and command re-roll is in fact specified to one die.

Care to enplane this one more.?

As this is the only thing that offers a re-roll that I can recall. Since charge and Psy phase you add both together. Seams to apply.

I understand specified.. BUt the FAQ seams to trump that aspect of the rule in regards the two phase's.

Most TO are running it that way in Tournaments in our area.

[almostmercury]

Feb 2, 2018 15:53:03 GMT shadowfinder said:

Feb 2, 2018 9:51:36 GMT tomcaet said:

Also, interpreting the command re-roll after FAQ to re-roll the whole roll. Actually in FAQ it's whole roll unless specified, and command re-roll is in fact specified to one die.

Care to enplane this one more.?

As this is the only thing that offers a re-roll that I can recall. Since charge and Psy phase you add both together. Seams to apply.

I understand specified.. BUt the FAQ seams to trump that aspect of the rule in regards the two phase's.

Most TO are running it that way in Tournaments in our area.

The cp stratagem says specifically to reroll a single dice roll.

Moreover, GW has said that the die/dice plurality is “archaic” (pretty sure that was the actual word).

This means you reroll not your charge roll, but a single dice roll of your charge roll.

[tomcaet]

Interesting, did GW really motivate using "dice" for both singular and plural like that? I think forms that help carry our point across really shouldn't die (hah) out. Seems this case would also benefit.

The FAQ in question meant (I think, not psychic AFAIK) that if a "composite" roll like psychic or charge has a "re-roll" then both (all) dice have to be re-rolled, you can't say, re-roll one of the dice and keep the "6" on the other one. Index Orks have an army-wide failed charge re-roll and it wasn't spelled out that clear that you have to re-roll both dice when using that. The "unless otherwise stated" should indicate that Command Re-roll still re-rolls only one die. Now same for say, Neurothrope re-rolling ones on psychic. If taken too literally, it would never trigger as a psychic test is never less than 2 on 2D6. Edit: Almost never, maybe a competing Kronos fleet got to it.

[almostmercury]

I believe it was during the end of 7th faqs, because I remember it changed my understanding of how the exocrine/biovore/warrior formation worked.

And while 7th rulings don’t apply, this is a language use issue which you can expect to carry over.

[tomcaet]

I got the impression GW is consistent in using "dice" everywhere for much longer, I think I remember lamenting them not using both to differentiate in old Necromunda.

[cypheon]

Feb 2, 2018 15:53:03 GMT shadowfinder said:

Feb 2, 2018 9:51:36 GMT tomcaet said:

Also, interpreting the command re-roll after FAQ to re-roll the whole roll. Actually in FAQ it's whole roll unless specified, and command re-roll is in fact specified to one die.

Care to enplane this one more.?

As this is the only thing that offers a re-roll that I can recall. Since charge and Psy phase you add both together. Seams to apply.

I understand specified.. BUt the FAQ seams to trump that aspect of the rule in regards the two phase's.

Most TO are running it that way in Tournaments in our area.

The FAQ was referring to rules and special abilities that specifically allowed rerolls for rolls that were added together. Like behemoth "reroll charge rolls" means "reroll both dice", instead of "you rolled 6 and 1, reroll the 1", because the charge roll is both dice, not either/or.

The stratagem specifies "reroll a single dice", not "reroll a single dice roll", so it ignores that FAQ. If it was "reroll a single dice roll" it would affect double dice rolls like charge and psyker equally... thats the full(ish) explanation as to why your TOs are wrong

[almostmercury]

Feb 2, 2018 18:58:13 GMT tomcaet said:

I got the impression GW is consistent in using "dice" everywhere for much longer, I think I remember lamenting them not using both to differentiate in old Necromunda.

That's just from when I know they've stated specifically that they do not use "die" to refer to singluar dice. I'm sure they haven't used it for a long time.

[brianb9999]

What about the Leviathan warlord trait? It allows for several different rerolls, but they are all single dice options except for charge rolls. So this means it would just be one of the two dice as well?

[almostmercury]

Feb 3, 2018 14:51:35 GMT brianb9999 said:

What about the Leviathan warlord trait? It allows for several different rerolls, but they are all single dice options except for charge rolls. So this means it would just be one of the two dice as well?

The warlord trait would be both dice.

[Hive Bahamut]

I think the easiest mistake to make in 8th is activating the wrong assault unit first. I lost the game simply by doing this early on in 8th.

Others include target priority, remembering that it's 3" to CENTER of objectives and remembering all the Biomorphs that you take and forget. I've still never remembered Acid Maw on Stealers and I write it down.