Anyone try Genestealer Shock?

[shadowfinder]

A guy today walked up and gave me 30 Painted OOP genestealers giving me 80+ now. I was wondering if anyone has tried Stealer shock. It is a army that just runs forward and hit's things.

With Kraken being the best Genestealer Fleet. How would you fill out they rest of the points?

Is Genestealer shock viable?

Example below has the Swarmlord and one brood-lord. Taking two brood-lords instead of Swarmy to free up points fore back field shooting. A Mal would help with for going second with -1.

How would you fill out they rest of the points in the example below?


Hive Fleet: Kraken 1522

Broodlord: Monstrous Rending Claws

The Swarmlord

Genestealers: 4x Acid Maw
19x Genestealer: 19x Rending Claws

Genestealers: 4x Acid Maw
19x Genestealer: 19x Rending Claws

Genestealers: 4x Acid Maw
19x Genestealer: 19x Rending Claws

Genestealers: 4x Acid Maw
19x Genestealer: 19x Rending Claws

Tyrannocyte: 5x Barbed Strangler

[kazetanade]

Give some toxin sacs, a unit of venomthropes, you're pretty much all set i guess.

[shadowfinder]

Jan 17, 2018 3:40:52 GMT kazetanade said:

Give some toxin sacs, a unit of venomthropes, you're pretty much all set i guess.

How important is the -1?

Toxin Sacs is interesting. how many units do you think?

I was thinking a mawloc or two to drop in and disrupt.

[cypheon]

If you don't go first.... insanely important

[wormlord666]

It’s a cool concept! You will however be vulnerable to flyers. For exemple a stormraven filled with terminators can become a tough opponent since that can stay embaked until you’ve been shoot to pieces. Ad hiveguards, a flyrant or a flyer. These options helps with clearing roadblocks as well.

[tomb]

 Take the Mal, use metabolic overdrive to get him up the feild. Aim him towards a single character/ model if possible. Conga line stealers from him first and second turn. Charge him into the combat with the single model/character with a bunch of stealers to do the work. Kill model, gain prey adaption, profit.

I run around fifty stealers, but no broodlords, pods or swarmy. I don't doubt that these are good options and I'll probably use them in the future but I'm happy with the six hive guard, three biovores, three nurothropes and three flyrants. 

Opponents will go out of thier way to try to neutralise the hiveguard, they either know what they can do or are in an 'old mindset' and believe it's my only shooting and thus more of a priority than stealers (so wrong).

The flyrants do work supporting the stealers every game, especialy the warlord Flyrant with the kraken WL trait. 
The brood lord is a funny one, I don't run one as I spent the points on the three neurothropes, they give me a Kronos supreme command (additional cp), lots of psychic redundancy and smite. Against psycher heavy armies the three of them spread across the board allows for the Kronos stratagem and additional Shadows / dispels to shut down psychic powers.

Hope this helps, let us know how your list runs.

[kazetanade]

Jan 17, 2018 4:43:10 GMT shadowfinder said:

Jan 17, 2018 3:40:52 GMT kazetanade said:

Give some toxin sacs, a unit of venomthropes, you're pretty much all set i guess.

How important is the -1?

Toxin Sacs is interesting. how many units do you think?

I was thinking a mawloc or two to drop in and disrupt.

The -1 actually has value against effects with hit on 6+. Otherwise, the venomthropes in min unit will be somewhat helpful to your Genestealers - going 2nd you want to stack as many advantages on your side as you can.

There is complex math about it but on the whole scale its better to have than to dont have, and for the amount of points when comparing utility its pretty up there - for eg i rate 90 pts venoms > 2 biovores + 1 mine unless i already have venoms.

If you can hide them out of LOS then they're pretty good. If they're in LOS, then a unit of 6 can tank a lot of good fire (they will attract a lot of anti-elite fire, or anti-tank barring that). But Dark Reapers just ruin your day.

Toxin sacs I'd put on at least 1 unit.

Ref Mal - if yoy have it and can use it, its definitely better than Venomthropes. It lets you put more points into other HQs as well rather than a Neuro (letting you open another detach, for eg).

Im not sure the mawloc works in this list. Flyrants with guns would perform a lot better as support.

[brassangel]

Which guns on the Flyrants though? Deathspitters for the S7 -1, 1, 12x shots? Or Devourers for S6 0 1, 24x shots? Do you take combat weaponry? Keeping in mind that most will be at -1 or even -2 to hit if going against an Alaitoc Hemlock Wraithfighter. You can only take the no penalties to-hit on one of the Flyrants, and their Dark Reapers will delete that one with 100% certainty.

[devilrules]

think there is enough cc so 2 sets of 2 devourers would be best. can also charge units just to disrupt shooting, fly away next turn shoot and charge again. perfect loadout for kraken. PINBALL WIZARD!!!

[kazetanade]

I dont think the Dark Reapers deleting 1 Flyrant is too big s problem. Their main role is to destroy what would stop the Genestealers from doing their job. They can deepstrike in if there is a unit of Dark Reapers waiting on the board. If they're in reserves, then you could maul other things.

As for loadout, i think double guns felt the best so far. Double Devs performed for me well with the sort of impact i want. Devs/MRC perform well but dont have the impact of the double dev. HVC/MRC i havent tried but it could work.

I do feel a Swarmlord makes those kinds of things so much easier to handle though. Shoot the stealer into what you dont like and call it a day.

[shadowfinder]

Example list with Swarmlord. Support is Mal, two dakka tyrants and rippers.

I could drop one of the Tyrant and a stealer or the pods upgrade for two dakka fex's. Not sure if
the fex's are worth a tyrant. Mor shots is nice.
The Swarmlord take a ton point in the list with his pod. That is some thing to think about.

I will post a list with our the Swarmlord to see what you all think is stronger.


Hive Fleet Kraken 9 total comand points

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP

Hive Fleet: Kraken

Malanthrope

The Swarmlord

4x 19 Genestealer: 19x Rending Claw

Tyrannocyte: 5x Barbed Strangler

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (

Hive Tyrant: Power: 2x Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms, Wings

Hive Tyrant: Chameleonic Mutation, Power: 2x Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms, Wings

3x3 Ripper Swarm

[tomb]

Run it and let us know how it goes. I like.

If you end up with 'stealer queues' where to many clog the board consider dropping 20 for five hive guard with impalers.

I'd also be tempted to run rending claws, adrenaline and toxin sacs plus Devs on the warlord flyrant, then he can do work to high toughness models if needs be whilst using his warlord trait for stealers.

[shadowfinder]

This list goies for more Dakka with the fex'x and some Biovores.
The The broodlord and Nero can hide in plan sight as they move up with the stealers.

I can drop a fex and the Biovores for a exocrine as well. That would give people a big unit to shoot at that is fairly hard to kill with a t8 -1 to hit.

What you all think? Which list is better?


+++ genestealer shock

++ Battalion Detachment +9CP 1998pts

+ No Force Org Slot +

Hive Fleet: Kraken

Broodlord: Monstrous Rending Claws

Malanthropes: Malanthrope

4x19 Genestealer: 19x Rending Claw

3 Carnifex: Enhanced Senses, Spore Cysts, 2x Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms


++ Battalion Detachment

Hive Tyrant: Chameleonic Mutation, Power: Catalyst, Power: The Horror, 2x Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms, Wings

Neurothrope
3x3 Ripper Swarm
3 Biovore

[shadowfinder]

Jan 17, 2018 18:00:45 GMT tomb said:

Run it and let us know how it goes. I like.

If you end up with 'stealer queues' where to many clog the board consider dropping 20 for five hive guard with impalers.

I'd also be tempted to run rending claws, adrenaline and toxin sacs plus Devs on the warlord flyrant, then he can do work to high toughness models if needs be whilst using his warlord trait for stealers.

I like the idea with the Tyrant but I have had Mixed results with a Hybrid Tyrant.

Needing to Score objectives with ITC mission so he ones not in combat can score objectives.

I like hive guard but have only 3. The will have to wit tell i can buy the new models. When ever they make more. GRUMBLE

[shadowfinder]

Some one was taking to me about a detachment of GSC to get some of their powers and deployment style.

What you guys think.

Would any Tyranid stratagems work on GSC.? I don't think so. But i am kind of hazy on that one.

Was thinking one primus and magus and one stealer unit in a patrol