Hydra 1k tourney CC greatly appreciated

[horm]

Hive Fleet Hydra

Hive Tyrant, ST, 1xdevs, wings
Tyranid prime, ST, Boneswords

15 x genestealers
25 x hormagaunts
3 x rippers

Tyrant Guard, CC, CC, ST
Trygon Prime

My 1k list for my first 2k doubles tournament. I’ll be alongside 1k Eldar.

Plan is to DS the trygon Prime with the genestealers. DS the rippers on an objective later in the game. Flap the Hive Tyrant up and Metabolic overdrive the tyrant guard to keep up with it. 2xTyrant guard will hopefully survive long enough to get stuck in against a tank. Hormagaunts will be used as a screen against CC armies and sped up the board. Plan is to get almost everything stuck in by turn 2.

My backup plan (incase GW never restock Tyrant Guard ; ) is a screamer killer instead of the tyrant guard. And a broodlord instead of the tyranid Prime (as it frees up more points). Then metabolic overdrive the broodlord instead of the tyrant Guard to catch up with his kids.

Would really appreciate any advice on the list or tactics. Only thing I’m wedded to is playing nids and going hive Fleet Hydra (as that’s the paint scheme).

Please be brutal, I need some tough love as this is for my first tournament so I’m not sure exactly what to expect. Thanks for any help

[No One]

horm said:

Please be brutal, I need some tough love as this is for my first tournament so I’m not sure exactly what to expect. Thanks for any help

*Evil laughter* (But no).

I’ll be alongside 1k Eldar.

Do you know what sort of Eldar? Because that should be something you consider: what meshes. Do they want you to just pressure with massed infantry? Take objectives and screen while dark reapers kill everything? Or MC it up with fire prisms/hemlocks? Because taking two 1k armies to a tournament and sticking them together and hoping for the best isn't the best strategy.

2xTyrant guard will hopefully survive long enough to get stuck in against a tank.

I think you're really overestimating things here. I played with t-guard a decent chunk, and...they've made combat I think 2, 3 times? Slightly more than I thought, but still very infrequent, and not at all something I'd be wasting pts on. Adrenal glands/toxin sacs are pretty good since they're cheap and help you keep up/a tad more RC damage respectively.

Also I wouldn't expect them to restock soon with the demand for hive guard .

Plan is to DS the trygon Prime with the genestealers.

Cool. So, they DS. Assuming your partner killed off all of the wrap/screens (not unreasonable), you now have to make a 9" charge. Otherwise, you're standing there uselessly with no support facing down a 2k force: i.e. they'll both almost certainly die horribly. It's an...iffy proposition at 2k with only 1k of nids: I'd normally recommend seeing if you could take some GSC purestrains with a primus (since they're basically trygon+swarmlord+stealers all in one package), but that would probably be rather awkward to fit in with both points and detachments...

I'd be more inclined to drop the horms with the trygon and give them both adrenal, then at least you're just looking at 8" charges. Not sure what to do with the stealers/what to replace them with: probably depends on what you're doing with the Eldar.

Tyranid prime, ST, Boneswords

Nope, you've got no warriors, don't take. Prime mightn't be bad with large contingents of warriors (I'm ambivalent, but haven't tested). Without though? Either upgrade to a broodlord for melee beatstick, synapse and psyker, or 'downgrade' to a neuro for cheap synapse, while also likely being more useful since it's a psyker.

Hive Tyrant, ST, 1xdevs, wings

Monstrous rending claws are basically flat better than single scy tals, while being free. Adrenal glands are also very good on a flyrant (DS 8" charge is always a good option to have, and to be honest, the one time it makes you a charge you otherwise would've failed it's paid it's points back. That will happen, even with 16" move), and MRC and toxin sacs are a good combination.

Though to be honest (again, depends on the Eldar) double devs may be a good option. But probably not, I think Eldar usually get pretty good anti infantry almost as an afterthought with wave serpents.


Hmm...again, depends on the Eldar list. But...hmm...maybe just play up the forward pressure? I'm not sure about stealers for it, but maybe some adrenal gargs, horms with the trygon, and another flyrant instead of the stealers? Any pts left goes into some terms to screen. Should really take your opponent's mind of the Eldar, which would hopefully let them wreck face with dark reapers/fire prisms: your objective here is just to deny firepower. Touch targets, wrap targets, take fire, deny movement/space: generally make as much of a nuisance as possible. Of course, that depends a bit on if you count as the same army for 50% reserves (i.e. do you need 50% of your units on the board), and that's relying on your partner to have a very solid offensive game.

What other stuff do you have?

[horm]

Thanks for taking the time to reply. Quite a bit to go over here, and I very much appreciate the feedback. It's already got my head working overtime!

Do you know what sort of Eldar? Because that should be something you consider: what meshes. Do they want you to just pressure with massed infantry? Take objectives and screen while dark reapers kill everything? Or MC it up with fire prisms/hemlocks? Because taking two 1k armies to a tournament and sticking them together and hoping for the best isn't the best strategy.


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He actually plays a very anti infantry list. He usually DS 20 shrunken catapults, has a min unit of fire dragons and dark reapers as well as 2 hovering tank things (that all look the same to me). One of my main issues is that his DS catapults might help remove the screen which further reduces the likelyhood of getting a first turn charge for me. 

I think you're really overestimating things here. I played with t-guard a decent chunk, and...they've made combat I think 2, 3 times? Slightly more than I thought, but still very infrequent, and not at all something I'd be wasting pts on. Adrenal glands/toxin sacs are pretty good since they're cheap and help you keep up/a tad more RC damage respectively.

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I think you're right. I spotted the AG/TS cheapness on these. I think when / if I do take Tyrant Guard I'll definitely take them buffed with these. But you're right it's a moot point as I can't actually buy them anyway!

Cool. So, they DS. Assuming your partner killed off all of the wrap/screens (not unreasonable), you now have to make a 9" charge. Otherwise, you're standing there uselessly with no support facing down a 2k force: i.e. they'll both almost certainly die horribly. It's an...iffy proposition at 2k with only 1k of nids: I'd normally recommend seeing if you could take some GSC purestrains with a primus (since they're basically trygon+swarmlord+stealers all in one package), but that would probably be rather awkward to fit in with both points and detachments...

I'd be more inclined to drop the horms with the trygon and give them both adrenal, then at least you're just looking at 8" charges. Not sure what to do with the stealers/what to replace them with: probably depends on what you're doing with the Eldar.

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Again, him shooting the screen makes things worse for my DS charges sadly. I am a massive hormagaunt fan (hence my Horm name) and I do usually take AG but in this matchup I'm almost guaranteed to lose the screen and the ability to make a first turn charge. He's just finished painting his 20 guardians for his DS plan so doubt he'll want to change this and I actually think it's quite effective. I'm hoping I can find an edge to go for with this but not sure. I think AG on the Trygon is a great idea but obviously can't on stealers. 

Would be interested in any further thoughts on the stealers given the Elder list. I'm hoping with the Hydra trait they might be able to whack a fair bit.

Nope, you've got no warriors, don't take. Prime mightn't be bad with large contingents of warriors (I'm ambivalent, but haven't tested). Without though? Either upgrade to a broodlord for melee beatstick, synapse and psyker, or 'downgrade' to a neuro for cheap synapse, while also likely being more useful since it's a psyker.

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Bang on here. I actually bought a neuthrope after reading your comment. Prime isn't right in this list. I'm still tempted by the broodlord but I could have 2 neus for the points. 

Monstrous rending claws are basically flat better than single scy tals, while being free. Adrenal glands are also very good on a flyrant (DS 8" charge is always a good option to have, and to be honest, the one time it makes you a charge you otherwise would've failed it's paid it's points back. That will happen, even with 16" move), and MRC and toxin sacs are a good combination.

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Yeah, I'm still shocked that MRC haven't been upped in points yet. However, I've no idea how to actually model them on my flyrant. Luckily he actually has twin BLW at the moment so I think there is an opportunity to remodel or magnetise before the event but where do I get the MRC from?

Hmm...again, depends on the Eldar list. But...hmm...maybe just play up the forward pressure? I'm not sure about stealers for it, but maybe some adrenal gargs, horms with the trygon, and another flyrant instead of the stealers? Any pts left goes into some terms to screen. Should really take your opponent's mind of the Eldar, which would hopefully let them wreck face with dark reapers/fire prisms: your objective here is just to deny firepower. Touch targets, wrap targets, take fire, deny movement/space: generally make as much of a nuisance as possible. Of course, that depends a bit on if you count as the same army for 50% reserves (i.e. do you need 50% of your units on the board), and that's relying on your partner to have a very solid offensive game.


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So I believe the rules are these are two separate armies with 50% rule each sadly but with shared Command points also sadly. It's the Warhammer World doubles tournament. I think his offensive game is pretty good. He can deal with armour pretty well and infantry if I'm being honest. My list definitely feels weaker but I'm not sure if that's just underestimating the impact of making it to combat and tying stuff up like you mention. Maybe I should run 2x20 or 2x30 hormagaunts for full annoyance? Honestly the biggest thing that puts me off that is annoying people with the number of models I'm shifting about (first tourney so not sure the etiquette). 

Again, restricting myself to Hydra even though I know consensus is it isn't really that competitive but this is more or less what I own. Happy to buy anything I need and still got about 4 weeks to paint up extra:
- 3 Tryants, LW/BS HVC, wings brainleech, swarmlord
- 34 hormagaunts 
- 10 devilgaunts
- 10 fleshborer gaunts
- broodlord
- neurothrope
- venomthropes
- exocrine
- hive crone
- trygon prime 
- warriors (various)
- tyrannic prime
- rippers
- 25 genestealers
- screamer killer
- gargoyles

Again, can't thank you enough for the help with this. Already got plenty of thoughts to much over

[ghostwolves]

MRC for Tyrants.

I haven't checked the fit yet, but the Tyrant/Hive Guard kit has a nice set of Clawed hands that could fit the bill.

i.imgur.com/RypuHib.jpg

As for the list, it'd be better for your aloha Striking Genestealers and Trygon to use Behemoth.

With that said, Hydra can work, you just might want to alter said playstyle or do two detachments (much more difficult).