Bad match-ups for Nids

[jifel]

Got a general question for the competitive players here, what match-ups have you found to be the more challenging for us? I've had some pretty good success with Nids so far, I'm 6-2-1 WLD with the new codex in tournament format games, but I just got absolutely blasted last night by an Alpha Legion list. Long story short, he placed Nurglings to stop Meiotic spores from interfering with his shenanigans, then infiltrated 19 Noise Marines turn 1 after going first, then cast prescience from out of denial range and popped Veterans before shooting them twice. LOS blocking terrain was not sufficient and it was a shallow deployment so he was in range of everything. The Noise Marines alone picked up 6 Hive Guard and an Exocrine turn 1, and it went downhill from there since he followed that up with 6 Oblits and a zerker charge to pick up 2 units of gants. His second Noise Marine unit frankly didnt even have a target by the time he got to shooting them. As much as dice were against me, it is still not a good matchup for a standard Nid list. Noise marines are really, really good at killing Jormungandr units. This isn't as much to complain about Alpha Legion though, more just a wake up call of what can happen when they go first. But, as thoroughly unenjoyable as it was, I'm wondering what other bad match-ups people have had with the codex where your lists and not dice or tactical blunders contributed heavily to your downfall. Given how fast Noise Marines can kill any horde style army on the board when they go first and get all buffs up, I'd definitely put AL noise marine spam on the list.

TL;DR: Going second against alpha legion noise marines sucks. What else is a bad matchup for us to be aware of?

[luke1705]

Guard is rough. CSM is rough. Mortarion is rough. Bobby G is rough.

All of this varies by what we bring and what they bring though. We do have the tools to deal with any and all of those guys, but dealing with all four of the current power build lists is hard to do.

This is functionally why Bigpig has said (and I tend to agree) that vs optimized tournament Guard/CSM lists, we tend to be more like upper tier 2 than something that has a good matchup against top tier tournament meta.

I think Eldar is a good matchup for us though.

[bigpig]

Basically things with good board control can be difficult for us. Many of our tricks revolve around deep strikes and beta strikes. If the opponent can flood the board and deny us areas of travel to their tasty target, we are in a tough spot. AM and CSM are the ones that do this best.

[jifel]

I've actually done relatively well vs Guard so far, havent lost yet. Malanthrope + Hive Guard have been very kind to me though, as well as Dakkagants in tunnels to pop out and murder infantry. But, Guard are still top tier for a reason, I have only gotten a few games in vs pure guard so far.

[N.I.B.]

Nurglings are the main offenders with their too-cheap ability to control the board at deployment, and Alpha Legion Noise marines/Berzerkers will tear a big hole in any army when they go first.

[lordhikaru]

Currently at 6-0 against: 2x Roboute lists, 2x IG tank lists (1 with superheavy), 1 SM Dev list & 8 AL/Tz Daemon Prince + Brimestone spam.

My hardest was dealing with the Chaos list that I could not shoot through and had alot of chaff, and the daemon princes could easily hop over and threaten my line at any point.

While I would lose most of my army to IG, I would outscore them as they had difficulties moving out from their deployment, either being clogged by themselves or my men.

Kraken & Kronos over here.

[nintendofilo]

Dark Eldar with their damn poison bother me, for now the difference between index and codex helps, but it's hard for me to engage them successfully without going full shooty army

[nurglitch]

Knights! It's like they're walking all over us!

[blastarasta]

genestealer cult (small detachment with magus x2, primus and genestealers) plus Kraken genestelers x45 ish plus detachment of 4 russ vs 5 dark talons plus friends (sammael and Lt etc) was brutal.. they have a lot of hurricane bolters, -2 to hit and cant charge through the flyers

[blastarasta]

might be worth for the future post if you list exactly (well units and rough numbers) what you ran in your list and what they had.. "my Jorm vs Tau" doesn't really help us keep an eye out for it

[devilrules]

my main problem has been ork boy spam. in an1850 list my mate has 120 boys and about 40 stormboys with a 5 up invun to shooting with a 6 up feel no pain.point for point i seem to have nothing that can kill as much as them.

only list i have never beaten.
he used to work for gw so knows all the tricks. i have only seen him lose once in about 50 games. Goes to our local tournaments just to stop me and my other mate from winning all the time

[therealdirtyrat]

Dec 20, 2017 13:51:04 GMT devilrules said:

my main problem has been ork boy spam. in an1850 list my mate has 120 boys and about 40 stormboys with a 5 up invun to shooting with a 6 up feel no pain.point for point i seem to have nothing that can kill as much as them.

only list i have never beaten.
he used to work for gw so knows all the tricks. i have only seen him lose once in about 50 games. Goes to our local tournaments just to stop me and my other mate from winning all the time

Kracken Stonecrusher carnifex with bio-flail would do work. Put a bunch of devil gaunts behind them, fall back, shoot, charge. Dakka flyrants can also kite them fairly well. Block their movement with biovores. We have all the tools to deal with everything, just not all at the same time.

[N.I.B.]

I think we have a good shot at beating green tide Orks, if we go first.

[harleyxjguy]

Dec 20, 2017 21:46:06 GMT N.I.B. said:

I think we have a good shot at beating green tide Orks, if we go first.

True.

Even winning it is such a painful slow game though.

[hiveoverall]

I also play orks and I just can't understand how one would want to play green tide more than once or twice a year (Tried it and found it tedious as hell to move all the buggers each turn. I won easily though as 100 boys and painboys is hard to remove, and weirdboy smites can really hurt)... Nor do I understand how they can inflict this upon another fellow wargamer. OK so its for now (until codex drops) the only comp build for orks. Well other armies do exist luckily enough !

I understand that "ork only" players will field green tides (ork shooting has been destroyed by the -1 to hit mechanic), but other players... Just no !