dakka Flyrant

[mattblowers]

He is back in a big way!

Played 2 last night. Being able to keep in reserves and drop them in makes them ideal for simply mopping up infantry. With no AP trying to dig out a unit in cover with 3+ save is really a poor choice. 24 shots is simply amazing. I was consistently causing more wounds than we got shots in the last 2 editions. Having fly so you can jump into a combat where they will struggle to wound you and being able to bounce out and keep shooting makes them an ideal gunboat that they can't target on turn 1.

I made one my warlord in Kraken. This allowed for 20-22" movement every turn and with the warlord trait for no modifiers to shoot he was still pumping out 24 shots at BS3 after advancing. This meant I could keep him out of any combat I didn't want him to be in.

Plus you can smite, psychic scream, and/or paroxcysm/horror something. They might be the best they have been but they aren't quite as all purpose as they have been in the past. I see no reason to mix guns and melee, go all one way or all another.

24 shots!!! Oh my, I need to lie down. I've been smiling since the game.

[cheesytom1]

When would you consider taking Monstrous Deathspitters instead of Devourers?
Are the Deathspitters a bit niche?

[mattblowers]

Good question. I wouldn't. There probably is the case to made for it, but I don't think I would like it. The benefit of the weight of dice from the devs is just too good in my opinion. Maybe if you were to mix shooting with melee? 6 shots with better range and AP-1 plus MRC makes him a better dual threat? I think I'd prefer 2x devs and a second flyrant with all melee. Make them really good at one thing rather than decent at 2 is my preference.

[nidzy]

Nov 15, 2017 15:31:36 GMT mattblowers said:

Good question. I wouldn't. There probably is the case to made for it, but I don't think I would like it. The benefit of the weight of dice from the devs is just too good in my opinion. Maybe if you were to mix shooting with melee? 6 shots with better range and AP-1 plus MRC makes him a better dual threat? I think I'd prefer 2x devs and a second flyrant with all melee. Make them really good at one thing rather than decent at 2 is my preference.

Did you ever work in the extra wound stratagem for 2 damage devourers? I have been daydreaming about it...

[mattblowers]

Nov 15, 2017 16:00:22 GMT nidzy said:

Nov 15, 2017 15:31:36 GMT mattblowers said:

Good question. I wouldn't. There probably is the case to made for it, but I don't think I would like it. The benefit of the weight of dice from the devs is just too good in my opinion. Maybe if you were to mix shooting with melee? 6 shots with better range and AP-1 plus MRC makes him a better dual threat? I think I'd prefer 2x devs and a second flyrant with all melee. Make them really good at one thing rather than decent at 2 is my preference.

Did you ever work in the extra wound stratagem for 2 damage devourers? I have been daydreaming about it...

Not yet. This game I was using it to remove all his infantry so it would have been wasted. Perfect for primaris marines though.

[cheesytom1]

I think I'd agree that if I was going to go with MRC, I'd consider taking the Deathspitters for their -1 AP an easier potential at wounding T6/7 targets.
Though for pure Dakkarant, likely Devoureres.

Or... two of each?

[mattblowers]

Nov 15, 2017 16:37:20 GMT cheesytom1 said:

Or... two of each?

+1

[nidzy]

Also: super happy I didn't go tearing any arms of my flyrants prematurely.

[lordhikaru]

running
MRCs, 2x devourer and AG in Behemoth.

Deepstrike in, smite / powers, shoot and charge.
First unit that i actually support being all rounder.

My dakka Flyrants are in whatever detachment the rest of my list is.

[cheesytom1]

Nov 15, 2017 17:47:27 GMT lordhikaru said:

running
MRCs, 2x devourer and AG in Behemoth.

Deepstrike in, smite / powers, shoot and charge.
First unit that i actually support being all rounder.

My dakka Flyrants are in whatever detachment the rest of my list is.

I'd recommend TS then for 4pts on each model.
You're likely to be wounding when you roll 6s (-6AP I believe for rending), so you can capitalise on these high chance wounds with TS.

[mattblowers]

Nov 15, 2017 17:47:27 GMT lordhikaru said:

running
MRCs, 2x devourer and AG in Behemoth.

Deepstrike in, smite / powers, shoot and charge.
First unit that i actually support being all rounder.

I'm not a fan of Behemoth. I much prefer the ability to advance and charge thereby eliminating the need for a reroll.

I still think that the 24 devs makes him so good at 1 thing that you are wasting potential with trying to make him do both things. I'll be devoting them to one or the other.

[killercroc]

I'd say this new Flyrant is better than the old one, double the shots & no re-roll to hit in exchange for wounding most infantry on a 3 instead of a 2 and being able to hurt all vehicles is a fair trade IMO. 24 shots needing 3+ then 3+ is about 11 wounds on average against Marines which is a hefty amount there, so he's looking at more damage on average from last editions flyrant for the same points. I'm glad I didn't tear the arms off of my flyrant! One thing I did think about is the kraken relic for that nice -1 to hit, so he's more difficult to peg down. -1 to be hit (-2 within venom range) with T7, 3+/4++ 12W is a pretty durable firebase, not to mention psychic shenanigans as well, I'll be looking forward to trying him out soon. Most of all being able to fly, shoot, assault then run away and shoot and assault again every single turn as a kraken flyrant, it's just beautiful.

I've also looked at dual Deathspitters for a little bit harder hitting at less shots, better against T7 vehicles but becomes worse on average against marines, so not that great. Other than that combat or taking a heavy weapon, say stranglethorn w/ a pair of devourers can be some good fire support for the army.

The only thing I'm not sure about, is before he was a rock and you used him heavily and the rest of your army you'd do what you can. Now however so much else of the book is good that it might be better using him as support or sort of like a smaller spearhead, dropping behind enemy units to catch them in a pincer between him and your other stuff running up the board.

[mattblowers]

Nov 15, 2017 20:45:02 GMT killercroc said:

The only thing I'm not sure about, is before he was a rock and you used him heavily and the rest of your army you'd do what you can. Now however so much else of the book is good that it might be better using him as support or sort of like a smaller spearhead, dropping behind enemy units to catch them in a pincer between him and your other stuff running up the board.

He's more of a specialist now me thinks.

[killercroc]

Now this could just be my perspective but he for sure seems better suited to be built around a play styles and used heavily as those. Flying with dual devourers for anti-infantry, HVC and MRC for some anti-tank, Boneswords & toxin sacs for character hunting. For sure he's a specialist but he seems... a bit too much of a specialist than he is an army leader. Again, could just be me but I don't think the Tyrant should ever be your warlord because then he'll just draw more extra fire, he's really more like a slightly better than Carnifex with a few mind bullets over anything else. I mean it's fine and he's useful that way be he doesn't quite feel like a swarm leader, just like how a Dreadnought isn't the leader of a marine army.

[leopard]

Ran a dakka flyrant today, to be honest against IG squads he is utter overkill

delicious, wonderful, easy overkill

the number of dice will do the business on tougher models, and he is the perfect "distraction" monster.

Sticking with the devourers as thats what both my tyrant (one winged one on foot) have as the forge world models for them are beautiful.