Astra militarum......"sigh"......

[royalecheez]

My brother has been playing AM exclusively for the extent of his 40k career and has amassed a huge amount of models. Myself (tyranid and GK player) and my friend (necrons soon to be tau player) are having a very, very hard time keeping up with him.

With the ability to bring tempestus en masse deepstriking 4 plasma guns per squad plus automatic bring it down orders/ massed hot shot las gun fire coupled with auto first rank second rank fire it just seems that he can easily over power is with volume of shots in his first round of shooting. In our game yesterday he killed 30 gants an exocrine and tervigon in his first round, points wise just ended half of my army (600ish of 1500).

And that is only his infantry. The other side of the table had 4 leman Russ punishers including pask and a vendetta gunship I had to deal with......anyone else facing AM and havin success?

The only thing I can figure to do is try and drown him with bodies but obviously as a GK player that's impossible and I simply don't have the models to do it with nids....

[Hive Bahamut]

There are a few members that will tell you Militarum is ez but they are the king of 8th IMO.

If they deploy right you deepstrike nothing. They can fit a Brigade in 1500 and they out damage and out horde us.

You can't play the objective game better they probably have 50 more bodies than you and their flyers are nuts.

I am waiting for someone to tell us all their secrets, as there have been a few that say Militarum isn't that bad.

[gigasnail]

You won't hear it from me. AM seems brutal, and is supremely nasty on the high end.

[localcultist]

The singular fact that AM (expert shooting) can "ally" with Nids (expert melee) via GSC (also melee army, of different kind) on top of being *Imperium* make them quite literally a wildcard army. Mass horde, heavy tank army, full drop... What else they really lack? Arguably, nothing, not even psykers (Eldar are hardly on top of what they can bring/spam themselves or via allies, quality and/or quantity options everywhere).

Just take AM as "main" detachment (for those sweet command points, they probably can easily bring 1K brigade), then sprinkle whatever flavor You want.

I'm personally thinking about mix of Nids, GSC and AM, based around heavy vehicles/beasts "anvil" and scions/purestrains "hammer". Not sure HOW it would be done (at least within 1K and 2K limits), but I'll try my best.

[kazetanade]

I havent heard that other from a specific hiver that runs away when questioned in any detail whatsoever.

AM is in a pretty good spot right now. They're like 7th ed eldar - point and click.

Their main disadvantage is their abysmal movement - you would have to contest objectives and counter their drops, hopefully with your own, in order to go anywhere with them.

They dont have Fly so the tanks and backline are subsceptible to our Fliers getting into them and tying up for a turn or two.

If you're lucky you could Deathleaper in near a character and gie up / kill somr long range threats.

They're also character dependant. Kill the characters, the any comes down.

[royalecheez]

I think at this point I'm just praying for army wide point hikes....

[Jabberwocky]

Use the battlezone rules for reduced visibility. You won't win in standard play :-P

[kazetanade]

AM isnt that OP. you still have a chance to win. You're just not going to win in a straight up brawl, and as Nids its about time we accept we never win in a straight up brawl.

In the case of your brothers number of leman russes, throwing 3 mawlocs in their face will leave an impact and draw a lot of fire. He's not abusing the harker-commissar-companycommaner-celestine-priest buff node, so his conscripts if he has any will not be incredibly hard to kill nor hit incredibly painfully - they are annoying at best. Not to mention Scion deepstrikers are easily pushed back with screens. Once they're on the ground they are easy pickings, especially if they cant rapidfire the danger items then their effectiveness is severely affected. Fast movers like shrikes, raveners, and Flyrants will severely punish the punisher russ (Flyrants can punish almost all variations of Russ) while gargs can also wrap, push back, and tie up things.

Lastly, play to the missions. War isnt a brawl. Its mind games.

[spaceman1988]

Their units seem fine in terms of stats/abilities, its the points cost on things that is out of whack. A lot of their HQ's and elites bring ridiculously good force multipliers for like 30 points + character status. They get to bring a lot of stuff for little investment.

I've only played one game against AM so far, but I found that once I got my units into combat on T1 (swarmlord + genestealers, trygon prime + hormagaunts) my opponent had to use sub-par orders and wasted a lot of firepower to thin out my first wave. By then you should have a second wave crashing in.

Utilize charge movement, pile-ins, and consolidates to limit where they can move and keep stuff in combat - their melee sucks. Unless they deployed very aggressively, they will fall back with screens and slowly pen themselves into a corner with no where to go. Of course this is all speculation that your plan goes well and you got the first turn.

[mattblowers]

A couple of things: scions can only take 2 plasma, not 4 unless they are taking Tempestor Primes then only 1 per command squad per prime.

Take at least a few units of rippers. I also like GSC in a matchup like this because you can cross the table in transports and then pop out and turn their Basilisks/Manticores against themselves. Make no mistake, AM are top of the heap right now and you will need to learn to play extremely efficiently to in order to beat them. You are going to do it with our subpar units. Swarmlord is great against AM, as is Broodlord, Malanthropes (they can only hit on 5s with that) and I find BS T-ctyes to be awesome against them. I've beaten AM several times with my 'nids, though no one has ever beat my AM list and I've faced some really tough opponents and hard lists.

[nurglitch]

Tyranids can cause lots of mortal wounds. Maybe work with that?

[cypheon]

In times like these it can be important to tell yourself "maim, not kill". Deal half their wounds and degradation kicks in. Sure, thats still 7 wounds per tank, but that is a more realistic "turn 1" goal than "kill 4 tanks + pask".

Also important to remember, who you shoot at no longer directs who you can charge. Warriors can light up tanks and still join the conscript melee blender.

[autoxidation]

Aug 31, 2017 18:08:32 GMT mattblowers said:

A couple of things: scions can only take 2 plasma, not 4 unless they are taking Tempestor Primes then only 1 per command squad per prime.

Take at least a few units of rippers. I also like GSC in a matchup like this because you can cross the table in transports and then pop out and turn their Basilisks/Manticores against themselves. Make no mistake, AM are top of the heap right now and you will need to learn to play extremely efficiently to in order to beat them. You are going to do it with our subpar units. Swarmlord is great against AM, as is Broodlord, Malanthropes (they can only hit on 5s with that) and I find BS T-ctyes to be awesome against them. I've beaten AM several times with my 'nids, though no one has ever beat my AM list and I've faced some really tough opponents and hard lists.

What AM list have you been running? Tried giving it to a friend and try to beat it yourself with Nids?

[royalecheez]

I'm actually going to try to add some space marines devastations to back up my grey knights and try picking off his commanders with scout snipers. Not being able to re roll ones and double las guns I feel should help a lot. Coupled with 8 or more las cannon shots and a storm raven.

I feel like a storm raven with HB assault cannon and heavy bolters will really smack around those deep striking tempestus units. Drop a strike squad/purifier squad with 2 incinerators and Crowe in the middle. Let the devastators babysat by captains put the hurt on some tanks. Scout snipers try and pop some command. Floating contemptor dread (or DK with points shuffle) and 5 man tac squad to toss in where needed. I can fit all that jazz in a 1500 point list with 7 cp.

[mattblowers]

Sept 1, 2017 2:47:03 GMT autoxidation said:

What AM list have you been running? Tried giving it to a friend and try to beat it yourself with Nids?

Conscripts, commissar, and company commmander screening basilisks/manticores with 30x ratlings and the rest in GSC stealers in chimeras or deepstriking scions. It's brutal. I haven't tried it against myself yet because everyone wants to try out their own list. I'm working on a 2x harpy 4x crone list with GSC and a 3 basilisks right now. I'll report back on how it goes. I'm a bit worried about a gulliman list, but otherwise think it could be strong.