Let's talk Gargoyles

[raccoonbrainworm]

So, ever since they lost the deepstrike ability, what do you feel are the roles for Gargoyles?  I've been using them as an advance swarm and tying up a unit for a turn so my stealers can close in.  Blinding venom is nice, then fall back, and take one last shot right before the Stealers charge.  Kind of soften up some units and tying them up.  What am I missing that you use them for?  I have two broods of them that I love, and I'd like to get the best use out of em.

[gigasnail]

That's pretty much it, in a nutshell.

[NidNoms]

could you not use Gargoyles in early point captures? given there movement is at 12" you could take and hold a point and or move it early game until your main force arrives, but then again my swarm has not seen action in sometime

[raccoonbrainworm]

Blast, I was hoping there was something I was missing. I play a lot of proxy games, since I'm still building my own army again, and whenever I proxy in a Harpy or Crone , they seem to fill the same roll, but better, while being a little more versatile. Less survivable, but easier to move, too. Looks one of my two broods are going on the shelf.

[Rye]

I've used them for area denial in place of gaunts. They are a tad more expensive but take up 3x the board space. 20 gargs for 120 pts can deny one hell of a deepstrike area.

[meavar]

Why do they take p 3 times the board space of gaunts?
Or do you mean in comparison to something else?

[xenomorph85]

If Hive Tyrants through a miracle of consistency gets reduced to 9 wounds, i would expect a lot of gargoyles making a comeback.

[limeicing]

Aug 21, 2017 13:12:18 GMT xenomorph85 said:

If Hive Tyrants through a miracle of consistency gets reduced to 9 wounds, i would expect a lot of gargoyles making a comeback.

Yea, bubble wrapping my Flyrant with Gargoyles is my dream, but that stupid W10 stat makes it impossible...

[Rye]

Aug 21, 2017 7:51:13 GMT meavar said:

Why do they take p 3 times the board space of gaunts?
Or do you mean in comparison to something else?

They are just a bigger model so they take up more space. This makes the 9 inch rule harder to accomplish

[able]

Fly is really nice for getting at those hard to reach places, and as always you don't need to kill to stop shooting. Managed to pile in surround a redemptor dread in my last game with 10 of them. They died fast, but prevented it from moving or shooting for a turn. Being able to charge from out of sight is big, because it makes them the ideal unit to first charge a conscript blob. Blinding venom is not dangerous, except when it stops you killing the genestealer that is in your face.

Use them like hormagaunts and you won't be disappointed. Use them like stealers and you will. Probably overpriced (like gaunts), particularly if you are using PP, but decent disruption units.

[heartagramtc]

Aug 21, 2017 20:19:36 GMT Rye said:

Aug 21, 2017 7:51:13 GMT meavar said:

Why do they take p 3 times the board space of gaunts?
Or do you mean in comparison to something else?

They are just a bigger model so they take up more space. This makes the 9 inch rule harder to accomplish

Uh, but don't you measure to the base? They are on the same base.

[spaceman1988]

Aug 22, 2017 4:42:44 GMT heartagramtc said:

Aug 21, 2017 20:19:36 GMT Rye said:

They are just a bigger model so they take up more space. This makes the 9 inch rule harder to accomplish

Uh, but don't you measure to the base? They are on the same base.

Yes, you measure from the base. The gargoyle is on a clear plastic stand that has a slightly larger diameter than hormagaunts, allowing you to spread them just a tad further.

[infornography]

The main thing I think they have going for them is providing monsters with cover. two ranks of gargs will almost certainly obscure 50% of most of our monster models. If the enemy infantry already has cover (they probably do) then hiding your monsters behind two lines of gargs will give you cover without costing you anything. Though using this method for Exocrines might not be the best since those will often be shooting at vehicles and those garg wings will be giving those the same cover you are getting.

Unless I read the cover rules wrong. But I think that works.

[gigasnail]

The MC still has to be in terrain that provides a cover save, and obscured. It doesn't matter what it's obscured by, but you have to meet both citeria.

[infornography]

and if I remember the terrain rules right, it has to be wholly within. That could get rough especially with our larger beasties. Well nertz...