Catalyst and Tguard

[burd]

Baby sitting swarmlord is costly does giving catalyst to the guard or swarmy pan out better.
My thought on tguard give them cata swarmy 3+/4++cc/5++shooty 6+ fnp then 2+ shield wall and the 5+ cata to save the mortal on tguard

[Jabberwocky]

If you expect the enemy to put enough wounds onto Swarmy to take down all your guard, put it on him. Otherwise it seems best to put it on the guard.

If you put it on Swarmy, they could potentially just focus down your guard this turn and Swarmy the next.

[burd]

Exactly my thoughts. They will most likely focus the guard with d3 d6 yadda yadda. Knowing that shield wall will turn any dmg to swarm into 1mw

[gigasnail]

i'm leaning towards podding SL instead of using guards. the 6" range of HC is as much of a factor in this as the expense of the guards and the difficulty hiding MC's.

[burd]

Aug 16, 2017 21:15:29 GMT gigasnail said:

i'm leaning towards podding SL instead of using guards. the 6" range of HC is as much of a factor in this as the expense of the guards and the difficulty hiding MC's.

I made a list with that idea it's over in Tyranid army list thread

[meavar]

When is the transfer to a mortal wound?

First to hit, and to wound and armour saves
roll damage and save each point of damage with catalyst (tyrant)
then transfer the damage? then catalyst (hyveguard) again?

[burd]

Aug 17, 2017 10:30:15 GMT meavar said:

When is the transfer to a mortal wound?

First to hit, and to wound and armour saves
roll damage and save each point of damage with catalyst (tyrant)
then transfer the damage? then catalyst (hyveguard) again?

Catalyst is a once per turn ability for a single unit. The order would be. Swarmy has a 3+/4++/5++ then the warlord 6+ fnp/after that it's Tguard 2+ shield wall/ 5+ fnp from catalyst to ignore the mortal wound from shield wall. The guard taking the mortal wound comes after all that if you fail the 5+ fnp

[gigasnail]

Aug 17, 2017 11:07:43 GMT burd said:

Aug 17, 2017 10:30:15 GMT meavar said:

When is the transfer to a mortal wound?

First to hit, and to wound and armour saves
roll damage and save each point of damage with catalyst (tyrant)
then transfer the damage? then catalyst (hyveguard) again?

Catalyst is a once per turn ability for a single unit. The order would be. Swarmy has a 3+/4++/5++ then the warlord 6+ fnp/after that it's Tguard 2+ shield wall/ 5+ fnp from catalyst to ignore the mortal wound from shield wall. The guard taking the mortal wound comes after all that if you fail the 5+ fnp

what? catalyst is not once per turn, it's whenever the model with it cast on it looses a wound.

you *can* only cast it once per round though, like anything else aside from smite, if that was what you meant.

also, catalyst your tyrant, not the guard. it's one less thing to go wrong/layer of insulation. yes, then they can just shoot the guard. who cares, it's what they're in the list for.

[burd]

Aug 17, 2017 19:50:04 GMT gigasnail said:

Aug 17, 2017 11:07:43 GMT burd said:

Catalyst is a once per turn ability for a single unit. The order would be. Swarmy has a 3+/4++/5++ then the warlord 6+ fnp/after that it's Tguard 2+ shield wall/ 5+ fnp from catalyst to ignore the mortal wound from shield wall. The guard taking the mortal wound comes after all that if you fail the 5+ fnp

what? catalyst is not once per turn, it's whenever the model with it cast on it looses a wound.

you *can* only cast it once per round though, like anything else aside from smite, if that was what you meant.

also, catalyst your tyrant, not the guard. it's one less thing to go wrong/layer of insulation. yes, then they can just shoot the guard. who cares, it's what they're in the list for.

Was what I meant the psychic ability itself. Only reason I was leaning toward catalysing the tguard was I play a 2K point game Saturday and swarmy and the guard sat on 20lychguard for 2 rounds and swarmy walked away from combat with 9 wounds remaining. Mostly lucky saves on my part.

[gigasnail]

yeah, that's how it works, just wanted to be clear.

i had SL and guard tank over 30 wounds a few weeks ago. it's still better to catalyst SL. if they shoot SL, it's a win. if they shoot the guard, it's still a win, b/c that's literally what they're there for and there's no 2+ SW roll to fail.

[burd]

A smart player will kill the tguard in the shooting phase and hope that swarmy is close enough for a cc unit to wreck him on their turn, he is too squishy to be left alone for long even with a 4++ lychguard with warsythe s7 -3ap 2dmg hurts when swung 20times or 30 times with the necrons buff table

[Jbizzy]

I want a 9 wound tyrant/swarmlord so we can have catalyst on the Tguard while we advance and they eat overwatch and then swap it to the tyrant for the following combat rounds. We can dream, right?

[gigasnail]

Aug 17, 2017 20:55:42 GMT burd said:

A smart player will kill the tguard in the shooting phase and hope that swarmy is close enough for a cc unit to wreck him on their turn, he is too squishy to be left alone for long even with a 4++ lychguard with warsythe s7 -3ap 2dmg hurts when swung 20times or 30 times with the necrons buff table

It's almost like you shouldn't leave high value targets vulnerable to counter charge by hard as nails dedicated CC units.

Come on, man.

[burd]

Aug 17, 2017 21:23:31 GMT gigasnail said:

Aug 17, 2017 20:55:42 GMT burd said:

A smart player will kill the tguard in the shooting phase and hope that swarmy is close enough for a cc unit to wreck him on their turn, he is too squishy to be left alone for long even with a 4++ lychguard with warsythe s7 -3ap 2dmg hurts when swung 20times or 30 times with the necrons buff table

It's almost like you shouldn't leave high value targets vulnerable to counter charge by hard as nails dedicated CC units.

Come on, man.

Giant bait stick tied up 20 lychguard as 40 genestealers killed literally everything else and swarmy still walked away he was not a happy undying robot he still won because of obj card luck. Game ended he had 3 hqs alive and I had 7 of 9 units remaining

[gigasnail]

And? You drew cards and won. Has nothing g to do with the fact it's a bad idea to leave high value targets out where they can get counter charged.