ETC underway

[N.I.B.]

Sweden's Kalle is once again bringing it with yet another unique Tyranid list (well, Nids/Cult this time). If I'm not mistaken he's 4-0 so far with Hive Crone/Magus spam against things like Necrons, 450 Conscripts and 2 games against Tau Drones/Commander spam.

tourneykeeper.net/Team/TKTeampairings.aspx?id=1347

tourneykeeper.net/Team/TKIndividualLeaderboard.aspx?id=1347

Karl's list:

Outrider Detachment
Hive Tyrant with Wings, Stranglethorn Cannon, Monstrous Rending Claws, (The Horror, Catalyst) Warlord (Tenacious Survivor)
Hive Crone
Hive Crone
Hive Crone
Hive Crone
Hive Crone
Hive Crone

1 Biovore
2 Biovore

Supreme Command Detachment
1 Magus, Familiar, (Mass Hypnosis)
Magus (Mass Hypnosis)
Magus (Mass Hypnosis)
Magus (Mass Hypnosis)
Magus (Mind Control)

Battalion Detachment
Magus (Mind Control)
Magus (Mind Control)
Magus (Mind Control)

10 Neophyte Hybrids
10 Neophyte Hybrids
10 Neophyte Hybrids

2000pts, 8 CP

More to come.

[gigasnail]

I really like the team format games. Neat concept.

Obligatory "do not take what happens in ATC/ETC as indicators of anything" statement. It's a totally different beast guys.

[N.I.B.]

Not so different as some would have you believe, you still have to play games of 40K and win. You beat 450 Conscripts or Tau Drone/Commanderspam with nids, I want to know how you did it.

[gigasnail]

That's the point. You don't have to.

[gigasnail]

Or in this case, you tailor for something common and annoying (conscripts or w/e you expect to be a problem) and are sent by your team captain against that threat.

The issue for most people isn't beating conscript + arty, it's beating it with an army that still does well against most opponents.

The team environment is a different beast. That's the only point I was trying to make. It's a cool format and seems to attract some great players.

[autoxidation]

There's also a pure Tyranid player that's 3-1 so far. His list has a lot of flying Tyrants.

== Battalion Detachment ==Tyranids - Hive Fleet Nostromo [1430 Points] + 3 CP
HQ1: 1 Swarmlord - [300pts] – WARLORD (Tenacious Survivor), Psyker (Smite, Onslaught, Catalyst) Tyranids [300pts]
HQ1 DT: 1 Tyrannocyte (98), 5 Venom Cannon (45) Tyranids [143pts}
HQ2: 1 Broodlord (162), Psyker (Smite, Catalyst), Monstrous Rending Claws (0) Tyranids Fleet Nostromo> [162pts]
Troop1 : 3 Ripper Swarms (33) 3 Claws and Teeth (0) Tyranids [33pts]
Troop2 : 5 Genestealer (50),5 Rending Claws (10),5 Scything Talons (0) Tyranids Nostromo> [60pts]
Troop3 : 20 Genestealer (200),20 Rending Claws (40),20 Scything Talons (0) Tyranids Nostromo> [240pts]
Fast1: 1 Hive Crone (92), Tentaclids (24), Drool Cannon (16), Stinger Salvo (11), Wicked Spur (0),
Scything Wings (13) Tyranids [156pts]
Fast2: 1 Hive Crone (92), Tentaclids (24), Drool Cannon (16), Stinger Salvo (11), Wicked Spur (0),
Scything Wings (13) Tyranids [156pts]
HS1: 1 Trygon (103), 3 Massive Scything Talons (60), Prehensile Pincer Tail (1), Bio-Electric Pulse
(11) Adrenal glands (5) Tyranids [180pts]
== Supreme Command Detachment == Tyranids - Hive Fleet Nostromo [570 Points] + 1 CP
HQ3: 1 Winged Hive Tyrant (170), Psyker ( Smite, The Horror, Catalyst) 2 Devourer with
brainleech worms ( 14), Monstrous Rending Claws (0), Prehensile Pincer Tail (1), Adrenal
Glands (5) Tyranids [190pts]
HQ4: 1 Winged Hive Tyrant (170), Psyker ( Smite, The Horror, Catalyst) 2 Devourer with
brainleech worms ( 14), Monstrous Rending Claws (0), Prehensile Pincer Tail (1), Adrenal
Glands (5) Tyranids [190pts]
HQ5: 1 Winged Hive Tyrant (170), Psyker ( Smite, The Horror, Catalyst) 2 Devourer with
brainleech worms ( 14), Monstrous Rending Claws (0), Prehensile Pincer Tail (1), Adrenal
Glands (5) Tyranids [190pts]

[teodo]

Never take ETC armies seriously. Even people playing there says this is insane, and is only really a thing there. Most I know, wouldn't play those armies with their friends.

[gigasnail]

Has little to do w/ friendly/not friendly (well, for me. YMMV). It has to do with them being extreme lists or counters for extreme lists, which I think was the point you were trying to make anyway.

[rroach]

Its still good data to have. Edge cases can tell you a lot.

Like, what does it take to defeat 450 Conscripts?

[gigasnail]

I didn't say they werent. I just wanted to head off the inevitable crying about broken lists one or two people do every time a tournament comes up, and to get people to take the lists for what they are.

Did not mean to de-rail this.

[N.I.B.]

Aug 5, 2017 18:18:29 GMT autoxidation said:

There's also a pure Tyranid player that's 3-1 so far. His list has a lot of flying Tyrants.

== Battalion Detachment ==Tyranids - Hive Fleet Nostromo [1430 Points] + 3 CP
HQ1: 1 Swarmlord - [300pts] – WARLORD (Tenacious Survivor), Psyker (Smite, Onslaught, Catalyst) Tyranids [300pts]
HQ1 DT: 1 Tyrannocyte (98), 5 Venom Cannon (45) Tyranids [143pts}
HQ2: 1 Broodlord (162), Psyker (Smite, Catalyst), Monstrous Rending Claws (0) Tyranids Fleet Nostromo> [162pts]
Troop1 : 3 Ripper Swarms (33) 3 Claws and Teeth (0) Tyranids [33pts]
Troop2 : 5 Genestealer (50),5 Rending Claws (10),5 Scything Talons (0) Tyranids Nostromo> [60pts]
Troop3 : 20 Genestealer (200),20 Rending Claws (40),20 Scything Talons (0) Tyranids Nostromo> [240pts]
Fast1: 1 Hive Crone (92), Tentaclids (24), Drool Cannon (16), Stinger Salvo (11), Wicked Spur (0),
Scything Wings (13) Tyranids [156pts]
Fast2: 1 Hive Crone (92), Tentaclids (24), Drool Cannon (16), Stinger Salvo (11), Wicked Spur (0),
Scything Wings (13) Tyranids [156pts]
HS1: 1 Trygon (103), 3 Massive Scything Talons (60), Prehensile Pincer Tail (1), Bio-Electric Pulse
(11) Adrenal glands (5) Tyranids [180pts]
== Supreme Command Detachment == Tyranids - Hive Fleet Nostromo [570 Points] + 1 CP
HQ3: 1 Winged Hive Tyrant (170), Psyker ( Smite, The Horror, Catalyst) 2 Devourer with
brainleech worms ( 14), Monstrous Rending Claws (0), Prehensile Pincer Tail (1), Adrenal
Glands (5) Tyranids [190pts]
HQ4: 1 Winged Hive Tyrant (170), Psyker ( Smite, The Horror, Catalyst) 2 Devourer with
brainleech worms ( 14), Monstrous Rending Claws (0), Prehensile Pincer Tail (1), Adrenal
Glands (5) Tyranids [190pts]
HQ5: 1 Winged Hive Tyrant (170), Psyker ( Smite, The Horror, Catalyst) 2 Devourer with
brainleech worms ( 14), Monstrous Rending Claws (0), Prehensile Pincer Tail (1), Adrenal
Glands (5) Tyranids [190pts]

Good to see the ye olde Dakkarant doing work!


Here's direct link to Karl's games, click on the 'Game' links to see his opponent's lists.

How he could beat the 450 Conscript list, I'm not sure. If you play with 200+ models they keep a timesheet to determine whether you will be forced to play on a chess clock, or not. His opponent had difficulties keeping track of all his models and Karl could snipe some points here and there from his mistakes, forcing his opponent to stay on his side of the board. Or come forward perhaps.

His previous list, also very different from anything else at the ETC thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/51552/mawlocs

[blackrainbow]

This stuff is fun to track, just to see how super-specific lists operate. As for playing against one outside of a tourney, 1) of course not, and 2) I don't think I know that many tyranid local players with enough models to run some of that stuff. Guys got connects for sure.

[N.I.B.]

Some reading www.warhammer-tactics.com/single-post/2017/08/09/Full-ETC-Coverage-What-happen-When-and-Why

[xenomorph85]

As i've understood it, the ETC format has 8 players in a team, some are allcomers lists not designed to win exactly but to not lose big against any rock/paper/scissor lists, these are the lists you put up for your opponent team to match up against. Then you have a bunch of rock paper scissor lists that are used as a hard counter. This list is a bunch of fast fliers with smite spam, it's quite a niche list. I don't see how this list could possibly beat a non elite melee army like Genestealers or Orcs. Of course the list would be protected from ever facing such lists, ETC is a list tailoring exercise that I don't find particulary attractive way of playing.

If ETC switch to swiss paring team match , i would be far more interested. The games would be a lot more competative, this year was 20-0 wins everywhere as I've understood it. 

[N.I.B.]

A few comments from Karl on the tactics behind the list thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/53497/magos-crone-spam?page=1&scrollTo=916301