Tervigon + 2x 30 Gants

[acehilator]

Anybody that has tried that combination and would share their findings? I am very interested in running that setup, Fleshborers/Devourers 15/15 split in each unit. Coupled with Venomthropes in a pure support role (behind the Tervigon, so it has room to move freely). Yes I know a Malantrophe would be superior, I don't own one yet, they are semi-banned were I play.

[vectron]

It works wonders in smaller games where they can't focus down the gant units in a single turn. Past 1500 you must expect to lose at least one unit, unless you are clever and always keep a few models out of LOS.

15/15 seems to be a good ratio.

Also, onslaught is wonderful to increase the mobility of the little buggers.

[mattblowers]

Without a malanthrope a good opponent will simply focus down the tervigon and the unit goes on auto pilot. I personally wouldn't play it without the malanthrope.

Other points:

- I like units of 20 (10 devs and 10 fleshies). A tervigon can only replace up to 10 fleshies so optimize that.
- smaller units are better because you want 'rings' of gants to slow down enemy chargers. Bezerkers can be nuts so making them chew through 3 rings will give you an additional turn of shooting.
- speaking of rings, 3 units of 20 are better than 2 units of 30 and it's the same points with more flexibility
- I like 2 exocrines, a tervigon, and the malanthrope inside the 3 rings. Make the malanthrope your warlord. I haven't given up the WL point once since doing this and the whole blob is a circle of death nothing wants to get close to. With the rest of the points on stealers it's a really effective list.
- don't get cute, everytime I have tried something other than the 3 rings I have ended up regretting it. Try it out and see, it works.

That's my $0.02. Take it or leave it.

[kazetanade]

I'm guessing the exocrine demands attention the same time as the gants, hence why no focus fire on exo or tervigon. Or, focus fire is in but the tervigon just doesnt caste if it dies and the exo gets the hate first anyway.

Sounds pretty obnoxious to be honest.

[gigasnail]

You can probably make the terv hard to budge if you can somehow shield it out of LoS of heavy weapons, but the exo has to be able to see to shoot. It's a lot harder to protect and still be useful.

[N.I.B.]

I like 30 (20 Devourers) from a Trygon Prime hole.

[mattblowers]

You can't protect everything, (please do not swear) is gonna die. But I've found this combo leaves you with more options than your opponent. I find most games won or lost by the end of turn 2.

[acehilator]

Jul 31, 2017 22:41:35 GMT mattblowers said:

You can't protect everything, (please do not swear) is gonna die. But I've found this combo leaves you with more options than your opponent. I find most games won or lost by the end of turn 2.

Setting up the Exocrines 9" from the table edge I guess? And a single Malantrophe is enough to bubble everybody without restricting movement too much for the Gants?

[gigasnail]

How is it leaving your opponent with fewer options? It costs a boatload. The exo dies T1 or is mauled. The blob + terv doesn't go anywhere though it is good at board coverage. The terv will die the same as the exocrine as soon as heavy wepaons fire in volume is pointed at it. The rest is burned down at leisure after the other threats have been dealt with.

It is a boatload of wounds but I watched 40 stealers, a mawlock, a bunch of termagants, and a trygon die in one turn from 3 units shooting.

I dunno the large all-in expensive units (terv, tfex, exocrine, hausperex, heiroduyles) are going to prove terribly useful with the ranged shooting options on the other side of the table, especially coupled with reroll buff characters and units like drop scions/taurox spam.

I definitely agree that (please do not swear) is going to die and you have to plan for it, but there's not a lot of planning for not being able to use 1/3 to 1/2 of your army if you dont go first.

Things are going to be in a state of Flux for awhile, not trying to be negative but the obvious combos with reroll bubble characters and massive amounts of dakka and the heavy nerf to MC's cover (and wtf was the point of that? It's not like a 2+ cover is the same as it was) really don't paint a rosy picture for a lot of units.

I'm rambling, sorry. Bored and waiting for a haircut.

[autoxidation]

If you like to live dangerously you could try 2 Trygons delivering 30 Termagants each, plus a Tervigon in a Tyrannocyte.

I've been using a Trygon + 30 Devourer Termagants in my past few games, along with cult ambushing Genestealers and a Patriarch. The Termagants have enough shots to absolutely destroy any screening unit, giving the Trygon or Genestealers (in that turn or subsequent turns) a good opportunity to get into assault whatever was being protected.

Players like to skimp on screens, and Termagants with Devourers are really good at removing loads of low save models.

[gigasnail]

i dunno man. know what else absolutely destroys screens? genestealers.

[mattblowers]

So? Berserkers do it better if you don't position and remove casualties correctly. There is nothing you can do to stop eating charges. Cheap rings of gaunts will keep the core of your backfield alive. If they don't kill it to a man the terv will put 10 back. Then you fall back and on your turn and blast the (please do not swear) out of them. The rings of gaunts also prevent flyers and deep strikers from getting their guns in melta range. The other half of your list should be in stealers and be harassing them. I actually prefer purestrains because you can hide them in chimeras and use CA. Point is you have 2 deadly ways to crush them and you leave them little opportunity. At 15 points it might be a tossup, it all depends on whether you can make it to combat with acceptable losses.

I also like the purestrains with AM conscript rings, manticores, and ratlings. The lists play pretty similarly and I'm still undecided on which ones I like better.

As to it's effectiveness, what else are you going to do? Take units that don't work well together, don't get a -1 to shooting, and can't do anything to slow down alpha chargers? I've run the lists really effectively including going 4-0 in a local tournament this past weekend with only one game close.

My local area has already stopped the auto go first if you have fewer drops and ITC has said they will change that too so I wouldn't be planning on going first. Game plans that require you going first isn't going to give you chance to win a tournament.

[gigasnail]

It's not the gants I'm leery about, it's the tervigon. There is no way it lives once anything starts committed shooting at it. I guess the trick would be to cripple their army before it gets the chance to shoot at it?

The screening unit comment was that if I'm taking something to eat screens, I probably am just going to want to take more stealers; but a tprime and devil gants don't have to make the charge to do their thing. Very valid and a much safer delivery.

I am unsold on a lot of these things but man if they're working for you, keep on keeping on.

[butter]

I try everything 3 times or thereabouts before giving up on it and I have one more try in me for the terv. For me it seems to get deleted off the board because everyone is familiar tyranids here. I agree with smaller units of gants placed in rings, though.

[autoxidation]

Aug 1, 2017 5:10:19 GMT gigasnail said:

i dunno man. know what else absolutely destroys screens? genestealers.

Genestealers have a good chance of not rolling one of the Cult Ambushes that get them closer than 9". If they don't, that's a pretty poor chance to charge them. Termagants with Devourers will always fire their full amount. No randomness of charging there.