Toxicrene successes?

[mrturkish]

So I have two of these taking up space (one built one in shrink wrap) and was thinking of running them both in a list. Obviously a drop scrotum is the best delivery method but 8" move is nothing to sneeze at either. However they could be neutered by damage by the time they get in close. Even with WS4+ they seem like they'd be brutal with rerolls to wound and mortal wounds in CC.

Anyone have any success stories?

[meavar]

No real succes stories here. My main problem is that he is to easy to tank.
His damage just is not that good, and once he is injured it drops to abysmal numbers (killing around 2 guards a turn or if he is wounded just 1.5 guards and less then 1 marine and this is including the mortal wounds)
This means he can just throw some guards/ork boys etc against him (and if he is smart he only puts 1 model in btb with it and the rest more then 1 inch from the toxycrene) and suddenly a 140+ model is tanked by a 50-60 point unit for the whole game.

[gigasnail]

eh, you get a pile in too, and have shooting weapons that work when 1" away. it's not as bad as all that.

but it's not great, either. unit needs some help. loosing blanket AP2/smash really hurt a lot of miscellaneous MC's.

[Jbizzy]

Why this monster doesn't have monstrous rending claws is beyond me... it wouldn't fix it, but it would at least be able to threaten different unit types...

[Iryan]

First and foremost, it should get its private shroud bubble back, all things considered (without a price increase of course). All enemies shooting at it should get -1 to their BS. Not only does this make sense (it had a private shroud bubble before before and in fluff is supposed to still have it!), but by taking less shooting damage it is less likely to get degraded in its combat stats before it reaches melee. That alone might already make it good. Not great, but good.

Why did GW remove that to begin with? Did they feel that the toxicrene already had too many special rules?

[kazetanade]

To be fair it does have a truckload of special rules. Most of them are flavor and not great.

Personally, I'm miffed at losing Poisoned on this guy (2+ to wound on non-vehicles makes him an excellent MC killer) and the ID on 6s and 5s (? I think formation).

Also miffed at the shrouded bubble loss. In lore this guys shrouded bubble is enough to hide a whole damn army of Nids in thick smog.

Someone explain to me why there isnt a special rule for all our shroud givers to melt nearby units in 6" range every turn the way they melt marines and sisters in the Shield of Baal book??

[mrturkish]

Malan/venomthrope kind of do that with their mortal wounds to everyone in combat with them.

[kazetanade]

Touche, i legitimately forgot they did! Good work GW!

[jaigo]

no succes, it is just so unreliable.
Loosing shroud, poison hurts.
Also the range of the shooting is just too short ( no use from the pod)

What kills it for me though is the rolling for the shots (D6 assault ) rule.
If it had a set amount it would fun to play around.... now the few times I got shots in it was terrible

[arapaima]

Would be nice if it's attacks are ap-3

[mattblowers]

Jul 28, 2017 12:16:18 GMT arapaima said:

Would be nice if it's attacks are ap-3

^ +1. The AP -1, only hitting on 4s at best, and only D3 damage is what makes him subpar. I'm actually to the point where the only MCs I take are Exocrines (always), tervigons (if I build around it), t-cytes (again if you build around it) and ol' swarmy (again, you have to build around it and it's a list that can be hard countered pretty easily). Our MCs don't perform consistently enough to warrant them in a competitive list.

[icetyrant]

Instead of competing with the Malanthrope and Venomthropes it should have a bubble that gives a cover save for all <hive fleet> units. 3"? 6"? +1? +2?

[autoxidation]

I'm fine with it's AP of -1. I just wish it was an infantry muncher with a ton of attacks and poison.

[gigasnail]

Need some.combo of better AP (even if just vs. INFANTRY), more attacks, better WS, better wounding/shred/whatever.

[Jbizzy]

Maybe WS +3/+4/+5, give it shrouding back and rule like the whyches have that hampers leaving combat with it would make it a great tar-pit.