New FAQ out

[mattblowers]

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Page 215 – Sudden Death
Change point 2 to read:
‘If at the end of any turn after the first battle round, one
player has no models on the battlefield, the game ends
immediately and their opponent automatically wins a
crushing victory. When determining if a player has any
units on the battlefield, do not include any units with
the Flyer Battlefield Role – these units cannot operate
within a combat airspace indefinitely and they cannot
hold territory without ground support. Furthermore, do
not include any units with the Fortification Battlefield
Role unless they have a unit embarked inside – even the
most formidable bastion requires a garrison if it is to
pose a threat.’

BOOM! Stormraven spam is dead. I think I want to marry GW.

[gigasnail]

It's really not dead. Put Bobby G down, surround him with storm ravens. Shoot opponent off the board. Done.

[mattblowers]

It goes a looooong way. 30 ratlings is now a hard counter. The guns are much less effective if they become a static gunline. LOS blocking terrain makes that list unplayable if they can't move. It also eliminates other factions using it since Guilliman is only Smurfmarines.

[mattblowers]

Also, THIS.

Page 87 – Old One Eye, Alpha Leader
Change this ability to read:
‘You can add 1 to hit rolls in the Fight phase for friendly
<Hive Fleet> CARNIFEX units that are within 6" of
this model.’



As I said in every thread that went back and forth on this, the simplest reading is often the correct one.

[gigasnail]

30 Ratlings aren't a hard counter to anything when they're dead, or if they can't see what they're shooting.

The SR can sit and hover for a round out of asaault range while they cripple the rest of the army.

[gigasnail]

Also you're missing the 3 or 4 other threads on this FAQ.

[mattblowers]

/shrugs. I one rounded more than one HQ that can't be killed with ratlings. 30 ratlings are incredibly powerful, moreso if you seize. I refuse to always be down in the mouth about the meta. Everyone cried large tears for grav in the 7th and it wasn't a big factor for the last 8 months or so of the edition.

Missed the other thread, my apologies. Feel free to lock this one yoritomo.

[gigasnail]

I'm sure a single piece of wargear that largely invalidated entire classes of units wasn't really a problem.

Come on, man.

To reiterate about the snipers, they have to be alive and be able to see their target to be effective.

They won't be.

[Hive Tyrant Qiln]

Also, first turn is a thing. If you wipe out Gman before he gets to go, its GG.

[mattblowers]

Jul 23, 2017 19:58:46 GMT gigasnail said:

I'm sure a single piece of wargear that largely invalidated entire classes of units wasn't really a problem.

Come on, man.

Grav was extremely powerful, especially against us. I didn't face it once in spammed amounts since May of 2017 and I played my share of tournaments including GTs. I faced lots of Magnus, brimstone, Barkstar, etc lists, but the game had moved on from grav spam. Of course it was powerful and the reason I never once fielded one of our 'dules in the second half of 7th. If Stormravens don't get the auto go first but simply a +1 to a roll off as ITC is doing and if you have progressive scoring I don't see Stormraven as nearly as powerful. That is double downed on now that you auto-lose if you have only fliers left. Read the articles by the ATC winners, they say that if Stormravens don't get the auto go-first from drops, they become really vulnerable. Knee-jerk reactions to the meta don't win tournaments. You have to plan for the meta, but Tyranids have the tools to deal with nearly anything.

[gigasnail]

LOS blocking terrain and only having a few units in the army sort of edges that out.

And it's not like he's easy to kill in any way, being a character and undwr 10 wounds, even if he's not out of LoS (he will be if at all possible) and you go first, you're still not likely to even be able to shoot him.

[gigasnail]

I'm not saying this isn't a positive development (it is!) but the SM flyers are worth spamming on their own. This is really not going to do a lot aside from change the shape of the base build, IF it even does that significantly.

And yes, the top table bleeding edge moved past grav. And the rest of the guys were still using it, and still causing the same trouble and invalidating the vast majority of MC's and vehicles, and we had no way to contend with barkstar/khornedogs/belakor/etc either.

[mattblowers]

It's really hard to deploy out of LOS of ratlings as they can deploy nearly anywhere, moreso if the opponent castle up. If there is a ton of LOS blocking terrain then the Stormravens will have to leave him to be effective. I think you are really over reacting to them, but time will tell. At the end of the day I'm ecstatic that GW recognized the issue and responded to tone it down.

[gigasnail]

For sure.

But any list that relies on ratlings surviving against a spammed shooting platform that has double hurricane bolters is not a winning proposition.

[meavar]

The best part of the new FAQ
Our shooty (flying) hyve tyrants get to attack again with more then just 1 sucky tail attack