Devilgant screen

[corruptchicken]

I was thinking of running two broods of 30 devilgants cuz I'm playing power level so why not. My main opponent is orks and he has to get into combat so I was thinking setting up the units in a checkerboard pattern in front of my exocrines. This way when he charges I will get overwatch from both blobs.
I would appreciate feedback from the hive mind

[gigasnail]

You will only get overwatch with both units if he declares a charge against both units. What you are trying to do will just get one unit charged, and the other unit consolidated/piled into.

[corruptchicken]

But if ends up within 1 inch of the other he fails the charge correct?

[gigasnail]

oh i see what you're trying to do, my bad.

if it works it will work once, then he'll do the smart thing and mow them down with a charging battle wagon first, *then* charge the boyz in.

[gigasnail]

also, be aware. he never has permission to get within 1" of the 2nd unit, but there are important caveats to that. all he has to do is get 1 model within an inch of the unit he declares a charge against, without being in 1" of a unit he didn't, and then he's free to pile in to the other unit during the fight phase and you get no overwatch. orks are not going to be particularly scared of a bunch of termagants.

[themoocher]

While yes he can pile in, those orks cant attack the unit they consolidate into. You are only allowed to attack units you declared a charge against, started the charge phase within 1"

your gaunts would have to fallback but then they could still overwatch again

[keening]

Shooting in the Shooting phase at BS4+ is 3x more effective than overwatch. It's likely that you'd get a better result only letting him charge one unit and getting a full Shooting phase next turn and then possibly charge with the Termagants if close combat is unavoidable.

[gigasnail]

There is no good option when you're talking about letting a mob of orks in melee range.

[keening]

Yes, yes, yes, funny one-liner Giga; mobs of boyz scare the pants off me too (in-game, I don't otherwise lose my pants when confronted with mobs of boys).

But scary as they are Devilgants, especially when paying Power Levels, is one thing we can do right! 30 Devilgants is PL 9, 30 Boyz are 12. That is trade off we can win as long as we get to fire the Devourers!

[jvh792]

Devilgants should wipe an ork unit in 1 volley.
25.5 wounds get through on average, and the rest run off the board from battle shock.
Ideally you only need to kill 20 to guarantee the unit runs off the field, so you could actually split a unit of devilgant's shots and still wipe a unit of boyz

[gigasnail]

Yes. If they let you ever shoot, which is the point.

[meavar]

Checkerboard pattern of devilgaunts: he charges 1 consilidates into the other, wipes 1 unit and the other expensive unit is left to sit in the dust.

Yes the 30 devilgaunts might wipe the unit (how do you get 25.5 wounds should it not just be 25?) but not a single ork will die from morale if they have a second unit of 30 nearby, or a few if the warboss hits them on the head, so a few will survive anyway. BTW can you chain ork morale? Unit A uses the 30 orks (unit B) as ld and unit C uses the ld of unit A (now 30 because they used the ld of unit B).
I would rather have a unit of 10 normal gaunts take the charges and have 25 devilgaunts behind it to shoot the turn after (we usually play points, and 30 orks may be more in power it is less in points). If I knew I had to take some charges because he is running multiple blobs of 30 orks.

[kazetanade]

The checkerboard isnt very effective anymore sadly. Used to be great for getting cover saves.

You want to deploy in lines if anything - let them wrap one line, wipe it out, get left in the open, get shot by the other lines behind it, then charge the next line, wipe it out, get left in the open and get shot by the other lines behind it, etc...

Napoleonic age warfare my friends, the firing line.

[gigasnail]

Jul 19, 2017 8:07:15 GMT kazetanade said:

The checkerboard isnt very effective anymore sadly. Used to be great for getting cover saves.

You want to deploy in lines if anything - let them wrap one line, wipe it out, get left in the open, get shot by the other lines behind it, then charge the next line, wipe it out, get left in the open and get shot by the other lines behind it, etc...

Napoleonic age warfare my friends, the firing line.

he's not talking about getting a cover save. OP is talking about forcing an assaulting unit to declare an assault on *both* units, thus getting to overwatch with both.

[kazetanade]

Which you pointed out doesnt work. My statement is that the checkerboard isnt very effective anymore right now. At least in the past it was great for getting a cover save, but it serves no function anymore.