Dimachaeron Stats

[loopstah]

So on Warhammer Digital you can see the Dimachaeron profile on the datasheet page of the Xenos Index. It's a bit blurry but looks like:

Dimachaeron is:

ELITE Power: 10

M: *
WS: *
BS: 3+
S: 6
T: 6
W: 14
A: *
LD: 10
SV: 3+

Degrading is:
8-14 M: 12" WS: 2+ A: 6
6-7 M: 9" WS: 3+ A: 5
1-5 M: 6" WS: 5+ A: 3

Weapons:
Talons and thorax Maw: Melee / Melee / S:7 AP: -2 D: 1 When targetting INFANTRY units, each wound 6+ with this weapon is resolved at Strength X2 and Damage D6.

Sickle Claws: Melee / Melee / S:10 AP: -2 D: D3 If a hit roll with this weapon is a 6+ AP is -4 and Damage is D6.

Rules:
Something I can't make out
Explosive death like the other big guys
Leaping Killer: Can't make it out either

[vejby]

It seems just as useless as the malanthrope for the expected points costs.

Some of the tings you can't make out is that it gains a 5+ invul for the remainder of the battle if it kills an enemy INFANTRY model with its talons and maw. The other thing is that it ignores vertival distance moved when you measure how far it can go.

It is nice, but counting its number of attacks in melee vs. expected cost, I would rather have carnifexes.

Plus, it needs synapse babysitting and has no way of arriving mid-field apart from a tyrannocyte, although it does move fast.

[xtztxtxz]

Digestion Spine: If a Dimachaeron kills one or more enemy INFANTRY models in the Fight phase with its grasping talons and thorax spine-max, it gains a 5+ invulnerable save for the remainder of the battle.

Leaper-killer: When this model moves, do not count any vertical distance it moves against the total it may travel.

[kazetanade]

12" move would have fixed him in 7th. Don't be judgemental yet and give it a try.

[xtztxtxz]

So 10 power puts it on around 200pts, which is the same as 7E. It was already pretty decent there, you just needed to take a pod. Now it has double movement speed and way cleaner rules. The way I interpret Leaper-Killer, it can effectively ignores ruins when moving/charging too.

I definitely think it will see some use.

[nikh]

Doesn't seem too bad, 12" move is nice and we have almost no S10 (especially after they axed Warp Lance). I'd much rather pay 10 for a creature that can run in and wreck face rather than a glorified babysitter.

Leaper-killer is extremely situational, but otherwise I'd put this guy in a big list as a linebreaker. Talons + Thorax Maw would make it a brutal Character hunter (as it is in the fluff) and those Sickle claws will annihilate their appropriate target in CC, with or without luck.

I hope these are the rules, I'm actually kind of liking this guy.

[butter]

Good catch.

Rules read as follows:

Digestion spine: If a Dimachaeron kills one or more enemy infantry models in the fight phase with its grasping talons and thorax spine-maw, it gains a 5+ invulnerable save for the remainder of the battle.

Leaper killer(?): When this model moves, do not count any vertical distance it moves against the total it may travel.

Not sure what they mean by "battle"--must mean the whole time it's engaged in combat? Also not sure the second rule will come into play often as long as monsters can't stand on ruins, but maybe it'll afford an extra inch or so in some instances. That 12" move is super welcome.

[butter]

Jun 16, 2017 12:59:56 GMT xtztxtxz said:

Digestion Spine: If a Dimachaeron kills one or more enemy INFANTRY models in the Fight phase with its grasping talons and thorax spine-max, it gains a 5+ invulnerable save for the remainder of the battle.

Leaper-killer: When this model moves, do not count any vertical distance it moves against the total it may travel.

Damnit, beat me to it! Was deciphering and you already posted, apparently :'D

[bolk]

"Battle" means the game you're playing.

[nikh]

Doesn't "battle" usually refer to the entire game? I mean, I already like it over the weird FNP tokens thing it used to have, but it'd be awesome if it's the case. Then again so far our FW sheets have been baffling and I expect that trend to continue.

[armyofterror]

So am I the only one confused on the Talons special rule? On a roll of a 6 to wound it doubles its's str... now that anything wounds on a 6, what would the purpose of that be? Typo maybe? Meant a 6 to hit?

[nikh]

Jun 16, 2017 13:26:10 GMT armyofterror said:

So am I the only one confused on the Talons special rule? On a roll of a 6 to wound it doubles its's str... now that anything wounds on a 6, what would the purpose of that be? Typo maybe? Meant a 6 to hit?

Double S seems like it should be on 6s to hit, otherwise, it gives D6 damage as well. 

[No One]

loopstah said:

each wound 6+ with this weapon is resolved at Strength X2

...OK? That seems...incredibly pointless. 

kazetanade said:

12" move would have fixed him in 7th. Don't be judgemental yet and give it a try.

...Eh. The 12" move helps a lot compared to what it was (though degradation doesn't). But...I'm not sure it fills a roll well enough compared to other choices.
Compare with a flyrant - 16" move, 5++ base (though less wounds), psychic, similar damage profiles (though S7/10 is much better than 6 at least, and with less attacks, so probably comes out ahead on this. Pseudo edit - quick mucking about, looking to be ~same/worse, except against T7 3+, where it's quite a bit better. This is using sickle - talon+maw will be worse), for the same cost.

Definitely think it's worth a shot though.

Edit:

nikh said:

Talons + Thorax Maw would make it a brutal Character hunter (as it is in the fluff)

Nope (or more accurately, you're still better off using the sickle). S10 means you're wounding on 2s, guaranteed Dam D3 is so much better than Dam 1, and they both have Dam D6 on a 6 (hit vs wound doesn't really make much difference here, at least on average) - except talons+maw have a useless extra bonus (woo S14 when I've already successfully wounded...) while sickle has AP-4, which is huge compared to AP-2. Edit: Even if it was on a hit, it still wouldn't help over sickle - how many T6+ infantry units are there?

[nikh]

Jun 16, 2017 13:28:41 GMT No One said:

nikh said:

Talons + Thorax Maw would make it a brutal Character hunter (as it is in the fluff)

Nope (or more accurately, you're still better off using the sickle). S10 means you're wounding on 2s, guaranteed Dam D3 is so much better than Dam 1, and they both have Dam D6 on a 6 (hit vs wound doesn't really make much difference here, at least on average) - except talons+maw have a useless extra bonus (woo S14 when I've already successfully wounded...) while sickle has AP-4, which is huge compared to AP-2. Edit: Even if it was on a hit, it still wouldn't help over sickle - how many T6+ infantry units are there?

Yeah, that's true. Maybe the Thorax Maw is how we prog the Digestion Spine or something, gonna have to wait and see.

[loopstah]

Jun 16, 2017 13:36:23 GMT nikh said:

Jun 16, 2017 13:28:41 GMT No One said:

Nope (or more accurately, you're still better off using the sickle). S10 means you're wounding on 2s, guaranteed Dam D3 is so much better than Dam 1, and they both have Dam D6 on a 6 (hit vs wound doesn't really make much difference here, at least on average) - except talons+maw have a useless extra bonus (woo S14 when I've already successfully wounded...) while sickle has AP-4, which is huge compared to AP-2. Edit: Even if it was on a hit, it still wouldn't help over sickle - how many T6+ infantry units are there?

Yeah, that's true. Maybe the Thorax Maw is how we prog the Digestion Spine or something, gonna have to wait and see.

Looks like it, someone on Dakka posted a cleaned up version. Digestion Spines activate from the Talons & Maw. So kill something with that and then stick to the sickles for the rest of the game while enjoying a 5++.