ITC stealer cult list

[deviousdonut]

Eventually I'd like to run pure cult, but for now until I can actually afford the models here's what my new tournament list is likely to be.

Hive Fleet Detatchment-735
3 Flyrants+devourers-690
3 Mucolids-45

GSC CAD-210
Magus lvl 2-65
Magus lvl 2-65
5 acolytes-40
5 acolytes40

Cult Decurion-905
Brood Cycle-403
Iconward-65
10 neophytes-50
10 neophytes-50
5 acolytes-40
5 acolytes-40
5 acolytes-40
5 purestrain+1 scy tal-73
5 metamorph-45

Doting Throng-387
Magus lvl 2 crouchling-85
14 acolytes banner-122
10 acolytes banner-90
10 acolytes banner-90

Lords of the Cult-115
Patriarch lvl 2-115

Each squad of acolytes from doting throng gets a Magus for permanent zealot every round of combat. The larger squad also gets iconward and patriarch (most times) those 3 squads take on most targets with flyrants while everything else gets objectives/eats overwatch and just provides general threat overload. Worst case scenario I roll bad ambush with doting throng, I have 9 broodmind powers for summoning and +14 psychic dice. When it works well I get to reroll blessings on the big acolyte units so stuff like endurance invis and shrouding would be pretty easy to caste with dice left over. Definitely will need to play with which psychic powers to use when.

[hiveminded55]

This sounds great but.... that's an expensive army to field. A lot of models to start, then you're summoning ontop of that. Where 5 Acolytes are $50.

I like the idea, but it's too rich for my blood >.<

[deviousdonut]

I agree, I'm going to use my stealer models as acolytes. I've been using my stealers as The Favoured Disciples and nobody has complained. I'm thinking my stealers as acolytes, I have 1 of each HQ so just need 2 more magus. My 12 acolytes as metamorphs, then I'm probably going to add another set of limbs to stealers to mark the purestrain idea of them "being given more biomass than normal shocktroop stealers". I have the 16 neophytes plus some cultists to round out the neophytes. So all I really need is to customize 5 purestrain, get 2 magus and an Iconward. Eventually I'll get all the real models but in the meantime I don't see a problem using stealers as "stealer hybrids"

[nidzy]

I think spamming broodmind is going to be a very good thing for this army in that we can lower initiative/ws with the primaris power down to 1 and it is an ML 1. It might be worth it to roll one for the primaris on that table and then shoot for biomancy/telepathy. This would also go very well with support from paroxysm if the flyrants happen to roll it.

I personally still like subterranean uprising better than doting throng specifically because it gives you a better chance of getting the desired 6 on cult ambush. You could fit it directly into this list by swapping the formation straight across. However, I love the idea of being a psychic bully with so many powers on the table, and I think the bonus from the magus is nice.

[deviousdonut]

Yeah I want to switch the flyrants out for subterranean uprising and first curse, but I really like psyker spam at the moment and 3 different permanent zealot squads is going to be nasty

[deviousdonut]

Although no help on the cult ambush table is bound to come back to bite me at some point. I'm just hoping the pychic powers are more than enough to offset that

[valdrog]

Can easely conver Stealers to acolytes, remove one arm and replace with an arm with a gun from an IG guy

[almostmercury]

You're making 12 rolls. It can't be that bad.

[deviousdonut]

Found a hidden cache of money and can actually get the stealer cult models. Decided to drop one of the flyrants from the list. New list is

Tyranid CAD
2xFlyrant with double devourers
2x mucolid

GSC CAD
Magus level 2
Magus level 2
5 acolytes
5 acolytes

Cult insurrection detatchment
Brood cycle
Iconward
3x5 acolytes
10 neophytes with 2 seismic cannons
10 neophytes with 2 seismic cannons
5 metamorphs
5 purestrain stealers

Doting throng
3x15 acolytes with banners

And
Magus level 2 crouchling
Primus
Patriarch level 2 with familiar

I can't decide whether I want the 3 hq separate to give all 3 doting throng units shrouded turn 1. Or to take them in a broodcoven where they can replenish models through numbers beyond counting. I do like replacing a tyrant and mucolid with 11 acolytes, 4 seismic canons and a Primus though

[No One]

almostmercury said:

You're making 12 rolls. It can't be that bad.

But how many of those rolls are actually dangerous? 5 acolytes aren't hugely, 10 neophytes definitely aren't. 5 metamorphs/stealers slightly more so, but still not really able to go after anything other than relatively soft targets. So it's basically just the doting throng as a credible threat, which is 3, with ~70% chance of someone arriving from a board edge.

I'd probably keep the magus with doting throng - more buff bubbles and better survivability (the returning broodcoven is nice, but sort of redundant if most of your army is dead), and also more redundancy for bad cult ambush rolls.

I don't like the idea of dropping another flyrant - I doubt 1 flyrant's really going to do anything without getting shot out of the sky.

[deviousdonut]

Not dropping to 1 Flyrant. Dropped down to 2 and added what was said. I agree most of the units aren't very scary, it'll basically be the throng units plus whatever I summon

[almostmercury]

It depends on what you can do with those 6s. If I assault that unit of 3 broadsides, it'll take a lot of work for 5 acolytes to bypass all of that armour, but they're not shooting. What else is locked in combat when it could be doing something else?

[almostmercury]

Granted. They'll probably run and be swept. Bad example.

[No One]

almostmercury said:

If I assault that unit of 3 broadsides, it'll take a lot of work for 5 acolytes to bypass all of that armour, but they're not shooting. What else is locked in combat when it could be doing something else?

Bad example.

Also, overwatch. A 5 man squad is in serious danger of being killed in overwatch, or losing enough that they die to hits in combat. At which point they've done nothing. Especially against Tau (though a 10 man is still pretty vulnerable to that ).

And there's a reason I said 'dangerous' rather than 'useful'.

No One said:

Now, this isn't to say that 5 man units are horrible - more that they've got other uses. Keep cost down in broodcycle, for objective grabbing, cheap tarpitting/overwatch soaking. But I don't think you can build an effective army purely with 5 man units.