The Horde 1850

[valdrog]

Have an idea for an 1850 list, not your typical list at all.
Massive horde with lots of ObSec units.
Gargs can tie up any Knights/WK/Stormsurges. Actually have a good chance of killign WK/Stormsurges with all the poison attacks.
The Primes can actually kill stuff in hand to hand, hide them in the Termagant units and get them to kill stuff fast
Fliers have a hard time cause i prety much cver the whole board and the Mucoloids can pose a threat to them.


+++ New Roster (1847pts) +++

++ Tyranids: Codex (2014) (Combined Arms Detachment) ++

+ HQ +

Tyranid Prime [Flesh Hooks, Lashwhip & Boneswords, Scything Talons, Toxin Sacs]

Tyranid Prime [Flesh Hooks, Lashwhip & Boneswords, Scything Talons, Toxin Sacs]

+ Elites +

Malanthrope Brood [Malanthrope]

Malanthrope Brood [Malanthrope]

Zoanthrope Brood [Zoanthrope]

+ Troops +

Genestealer Brood [Broodlord, Genestealer, Genestealer, Genestealer, Genestealer, Genestealer, Genestealer, Genestealer, Genestealer, Genestealer, Genestealer, Genestealer, Genestealer]

Hormagaunt Brood [30x Hormagaunt]

Hormagaunt Brood [30x Hormagaunt]

Ripper Swarm Brood [3x Ripper Swarm]

Termagant Brood [30x Fleshborer Termagant]

Termagant Brood [30x Fleshborer Termagant]

+ Fast Attack +

Gargoyle Brood [30x Gargoyle]

Gargoyle Brood [30x Gargoyle]

++ Tyranids: Codex (2014) (Formation Detachment) ++

+ Formation +

Sporefield
Mucolid Spore Cluster [Mucolid Spore]
Mucolid Spore Cluster [Mucolid Spore]
Mucolid Spore Cluster [Mucolid Spore]
Spore Mine Cluster [3x Spore Mine]
Spore Mine Cluster [3x Spore Mine]
Spore Mine Cluster [3x Spore Mine]

++ Fortifications and Stronghold Assault (2013) (Fortification Detachment) ++

+ Fortification +

Aegis Defense Line

[gigasnail]

That is definitely all-in with the swarm.

[kazetanade]

Wouldn't this list benefit from Tervigons?

[cheesytom1]

How do you plan on keeping the Gargoyles within psychic range?

How do you plan on dealing with vehicles?

[valdrog]

Hoping the gargs stay within range of the 2 Malenthropes or 2 Primes, they will be moving forward with the swarm.
Vehicles, drop Mucoloids on them, they do recycle on a 4+ or get behind them and shoot them, lots of strght 4 shots.

Tervigons are too expensive and cant Join units, the one good thing about the primes is that i can hide them in the unit of Termagaunts

[Osedaxx]

Dropping Mucolids on vehicles has to be one of the most unreliable ways to pop armour. Give your Gargs/Hormagaunts Adrenal Glands and hope for a lot of glances if you're facing AV10. Anymore more that AV10 you're screwed

[kazetanade]

you could go the route of "I dont care if there are tanks, Imma just flood the board and not let them disembark". But otherwise you're not popping any tanks.

[valdrog]

Still have the Genestealers, they shouldnt have any prob popping tanks with the Broodlord. I just need to get them there

[cheesytom1]

Sept 6, 2016 17:33:38 GMT valdrog said:

Still have the Genestealers, they shouldnt have any prob popping tanks with the Broodlord. I just need to get them there

A single, light tank, maybe.

[kazetanade]

A rhino or Razorback, maybe. Or a Ghost Ark.

By the way - Gargoyles are pretty bad at holding Stormsurges and WKs. The reason? 3+ and 2+ saves to tank your first 30 hits, and D3 Stomp. Next round he tanks another 15, and D3 Stomp. Your turn again he's taking 7 hits and D3 Stomp. His turn he's free. This isnt a problem if your list can do some heavy lifting in the process - You havent really designed it to do that. So just keep it in mind and good luck running it, let us know how it came out.

[LordPathos]

Gargoyles cannot hurt WKs anyway. S3 vs T8.

[valdrog]

Reason why I think gargs would be good vs stomps is because their large foot print because of the wings, Stomps cant cover as many

[cheesytom1]

Sept 13, 2016 17:16:56 GMT valdrog said:

Reason why I think gargs would be good vs stomps is because their large foot print because of the wings, Stomps cant cover as many

Don't, during consolidation (if the combat lasts that long), you have to pack them base-to-base, ensuring they'd die second round melee?

Now that toxin sacs don't give their blind attack a +4 (it is base +6) because of the FAQ, which I'm very salty about, Gargoyles seem a little less effective to me.

[No One]

valdrog said:

Reason why I think gargs would be good vs stomps is because their large foot print because of the wings, Stomps cant cover as many

Without stupid luck, all you're going to do is hold them, for a turn or 2 at most. If you somehow get there with the entire squad. Otherwise, charging them you're unlikely to be able to maintain spacing well enough to survive 3 rounds to hold them for 2 of their turns. Now, you'd definitely be able to space them well enough to survive multiple rounds getting charged (I've had ~10 guys survive 3 rounds with average stomp rolling, so a large garg squad should definitely be able to do 4, barring bad luck) - but a WK is jump, so should be able to go where it wants with (relative) impunity, and Tau's likely going to have enough shooting that a stormsurge charge is far more 'finishing off' than anything else.

cheesytom1 said:

Now that toxin sacs don't give their blind attack a +4 (it is base +6) because of the FAQ, which I'm very salty about, Gargoyles seem a little less effective to me.

...Why are you giving gargs ts anyway? Gargs have poisoned (6+) on their blind. And poisoned only wounds GMCs (i.e. stormsurges/WK) on a 6+ anyway. It's not like poisoned actually makes them effective combatants either way .

Don't, during consolidation (if the combat lasts that long), you have to pack them base-to-base, ensuring they'd die second round melee?

...No. Now, they'll likely die second round, but that's far more because of them taking casualties before getting there than stomp. 'Ensure' is a very strong word - I'm not sure if 4 stomps (i.e. average rolling for 2 rounds of combat) would be enough to take out 30 gargs, no matter how tightly you packed them, not even getting into rolling a '1' on the stomp chart. Now, with the numbers likely to make combat, charge distance (if you charge), init pile in, after combat pile in packing them nice and tight, stomp would do a number on them, and likely kill them 2nd or 3rd round (for WK - I'd say 3rd or 4th for stormsurge). But there's definitely no guarantee on that.

[gigasnail]

I've lost 15 gargs in a single round of combat trying to tarpit an IK before. It happens. Typical results would be somewhat less but it's hard to mitigate.