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Post by shadowfinder on May 19, 2016 18:29:46 GMT
Great wolf detachment
lvl 2 Libby on bike
Servitor
Servitor
3 drop pods
Lvl 1 Libby on bike
Servitor
Servitor
5x thunderwolves with 5 Storm shields, 2 Power Fist, 1 Wolf Claw
5x thunderwolves with 5 Storm shields, 2 Power Fist, 1 Wolf Claw
VSG with 3 shields.
Murderpack
Wulfen with 5 Thunder hammer and Storm Shield
Wulfen with 5 Thunder hammer and Storm Shield
Wulfen with 2 Thunder hammer and Storm Shield, 2 with great axe and auto gun, 1 Normal guy
The army has 30% chance of getting a 24 inch move rate with the wolves.
2 units of wulfen are dropping turn one where I want them. Letting me box my opponent where I want him most times.
Turn one I am Assaulting with the thunderwolves( depends on deployment type.) or setting up a turn charge with 4 nasty units.
If I don’t make a turn one assault. My opponents faces a hard choice in what to kill first as all 4 options are brutal.
So what do you think?
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Post by gigasnail on May 25, 2016 22:24:32 GMT
why are you running 4 servitors? you only require 2 for the formation.
are the 3 pods so you can drop 2 wulfen T1, while keeping one in deployment zone to buff the TWC, and dropping the last one empty (or with a unit of servitors) on an objective T2 or later? do you think that's better than startign them on the table for run+ assault T1?
do you find you need TH/SS on every wulfven? i'm thinking 2-3 with shield, pack leader with claws (S6 AP2 shred at I5 will wreck a lot of characters in challenge), and 2 with axes, along with the grenade launcher (the thing is 2 points, it's silly good) on one of the shield guys.
i'm running SW for the first time tonight, still trying to settle on a list so take all that with a grain of salt, just my initial thoughts.
edit: or, i'm not. got stood up.
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Post by shadowfinder on May 27, 2016 6:18:15 GMT
why are you running 4 servitors? you only require 2 for the formation. are the 3 pods so you can drop 2 wulfen T1, while keeping one in deployment zone to buff the TWC, and dropping the last one empty (or with a unit of servitors) on an objective T2 or later? do you think that's better than startign them on the table for run+ assault T1? do you find you need TH/SS on every wulfven? i'm thinking 2-3 with shield, pack leader with claws (S6 AP2 shred at I5 will wreck a lot of characters in challenge), and 2 with axes, along with the grenade launcher (the thing is 2 points, it's silly good) on one of the shield guys. i'm running SW for the first time tonight, still trying to settle on a list so take all that with a grain of salt, just my initial thoughts. edit: or, i'm not. got stood up. I have 4 servitors because I need two per formation for the great wolf. I need 5 Fast attack slots to run the army. I do use the 3 pod to put a servitor in place for scoring depending on mission. Make my opponent have to spend twice the resources to kill just two models. I should have given a little more back ground on the unit usage. I drop pod the two thunder hammer Wulfen units Normally to try and box my opponent in. The other wulfen unit stays in my back field to handle anything that drops near by and give the Thunder wolves a chance to get 1st charge with double movement. This give me a 30% chance to get the Double movement or 60% to get some type of extra movement. getting me closer to my opponent. If I don't get double movement i make sure someone in the thunder wolves are in range of the VSG. it is cheesy but effective for now. As for the wulfen in a drop pod I can almost guaranty a 2nd turn charge with one or both units. With the Thunder wolves either getting a 1st turn charge or setting up for a 2nd guarantied 2nd turn charge. You really give you opponent some hard choices. As for the units with 5 TH/SS being worth it..? I would have to say yes very point. These units can take a crazy amount of fire power to put down. If even one or two models survive they will just destroy thing. I stared off with just two or three units with the SS/TH setup. People always seamed to find a way to shoot at them from the side that had no shield. Honestly I love them. For the price of a Tyranid Flyrant I have a unit that is a lot more survivable and makes other units around it even more deadly. If the VSG gets nerfed as the GW FAQ suggest then I may drop it and add one more wulfen unit to give me a 50% chance of double movement for the thunder wolves. I would also be running the Deathpack to as it's charge range is can reach over 40+inches. I have thought about the Conclave but to be honest I really hate it. it is really good. I decided to go Pure Space wolves for now. The mix of Wulfen, which are really scary good, and thunder wolves moving so fast with no powers is fun. I been running Two thunder wolf units because I have found one gets tied down if it doesn't have hit and run. But with two units running at them it is very hard to tie up both of them and the two wulfen units by turn 2. I mean really who do you shoot all 4 of the units do massive damage the turn they charge.. But I do Like giving my opponent choices. I have been playing these since January of this year. I have only played Zeno armies tell this year. I have limited knowledge on them but I am doing ok with them. In the ITC ranking I am in the top 5 Space wolf players if that means anything. They are fun to play. I gone very hard rock with them. I am ignoring Battle brother combos that can make them a lot more deadly or survivable. That way is just not my play style. I have some crazy close games with the way I am playing now, but I like gaming like that. I don't know it seams to be working for me. Feel free to ask questions. I am new to these guys so I don't mind brain storming on them. Hope you get a game in soon.. |
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Post by gigasnail on May 27, 2016 6:56:35 GMT
oh, you're running TWO company of the greatwolf, to get FA pods + TWC. that makes sense then. i like it. noted on all points.
i was having trouble fitting TWC, conclave, and a murderpack in the same 1850 list. i don't know that it's viable. the wulfen are a lot of points after the gear, and nothing in the combo is exactly cheap. i like your list. thanks for the feedback/thought process on the list.
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Post by shadowfinder on May 27, 2016 14:13:47 GMT
oh, you're running TWO company of the greatwolf, to get FA pods + TWC. that makes sense then. i like it. noted on all points. i was having trouble fitting TWC, conclave, and a murderpack in the same 1850 list. i don't know that it's viable. the wulfen are a lot of points after the gear, and nothing in the combo is exactly cheap. i like your list. thanks for the feedback/thought process on the list. If you go with just one thunder wolf unit go with the deathpack. Also is you do the conclave you may want to go something like this. With the conclave you don't need the movement buff of the wulfen so much. it is nice be not as need. If you take a cad you get 3 OS units and take just normal wulfen. Also as your HQ in the cad you can take a Iron priest and cyber wolves to soak up wounds. As for the conclave I am not sure how it works. do you need 3 or 4 libby for the best results. Example: not sure on the points + Formation + 'Librarius Conclave * (330pts) +++ ··Librarian [Mastery Level 2] ····Power Armour [Bolt Pistol, Force Sword, Space Marine Bike] ··Librarian [Mastery Level 2] ····Power Armour [Bolt Pistol, Force Stave, Space Marine Bike] ··Librarian [Mastery Level 2] ····Power Armour [Bolt Pistol, Force Axe, Space Marine Bike] Cad Iron priest + 4 cyber wolves Wulfen 5 hammers /SS Wulfen 5 hammers /SS 5 blood claws with drop pod 5 blood claws drop pod drop pod Death pack 5 gray hunters 5 thunderwolf 5xshield, 1x fist, 1x claw/axe Lord with 2+ 3++ two wolves, and helm of duress( if you want rerolls all the time) You may have to adjust the points. If you use the great wolf formation you free up some points. The conclave I would just use to get the defensive powers so you can run two two fast units if wanted. Oh libbs with a unit of SS wulfen rerolling saves is just broken. |
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Post by shadowfinder on May 27, 2016 14:22:53 GMT
oh, you're running TWO company of the greatwolf, to get FA pods + TWC. that makes sense then. i like it. noted on all points. i was having trouble fitting TWC, conclave, and a murderpack in the same 1850 list. i don't know that it's viable. the wulfen are a lot of points after the gear, and nothing in the combo is exactly cheap. i like your list. thanks for the feedback/thought process on the list. If you go with just one thunder wolf unit go with the deathpack. Also is you do the conclave you may want to go something like this. With the conclave you don't need the movement buff of the wulfen so much. it is nice be not as need. If you take a cad you get 3 OS units and take just normal wulfen. Also as your HQ in the cad you can take a Iron priest and cyber wolves to soak up wounds. As for the conclave I am not sure how it works. do you need 3 or 4 libby for the best results. If you do just 2 wulfen in the murder pack you can fit it. The bonus to buff is not used that much in less you are only dropping one unit in a pod. I did that and it worked ok. The other bonus the formation gives like exploding 6 to hit with them is really good. The biggest question I find myself asking is do I want Weapon Skill 5 thunder wolves, do I want to be able to run and charge, or do I want OS units in my list?? All have plus's and Negatives. 2nd question is do I want to rely one getting powers and getting them off? Or do I want to deal with a Random roll of the wulfen powers? Example: not sure on the points + Formation + 'Librarius Conclave * (330pts) +++ ··Librarian [Mastery Level 2] ····Power Armour [Bolt Pistol, Force Sword, Space Marine Bike] ··Librarian [Mastery Level 2] ····Power Armour [Bolt Pistol, Force Stave, Space Marine Bike] ··Librarian [Mastery Level 2] ····Power Armour [Bolt Pistol, Force Axe, Space Marine Bike] Cad Iron priest + 4 cyber wolves Wulfen 5 hammers /SS Wulfen 5 hammers /SS 5 blood claws with drop pod 5 blood claws drop pod drop pod Death pack 5 gray hunters 5 thunderwolf 5xshield, 1x fist, 1x claw/axe Lord with 2+ 3++ two wolves, and helm of duress( if you want rerolls all the time) You may have to adjust the points. If you use the great wolf formation you free up some points. The conclave I would just use to get the defensive powers so you can run two two fast units if wanted. Oh libbs with a unit of SS wulfen rerolling saves is just broken. |
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Post by shadowfinder on May 27, 2016 14:25:24 GMT
I have a list in mind after the ITC votes on the new rule changes in June. It has 4 wulfen units. I would get a 50% chance of getting double movement every turn for the thunder wolves. I will only have one unit of thunder wolves then. Still working the kinks on that one though.
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Post by gigasnail on May 31, 2016 5:45:38 GMT
shadowfinder i was looking at this earlier today; what is a deathpack? which book, can't find it. have codex, champions of fenris and curse of the wulfen. the champions of fenris book i an ebook, and the print is damn tiny and the layout is terrible so i may be overlooking it.
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Post by shadowfinder on May 31, 2016 18:21:27 GMT
shadowfinder i was looking at this earlier today; what is a deathpack? which book, can't find it. have codex, champions of fenris and curse of the wulfen. the champions of fenris book i an ebook, and the print is damn tiny and the layout is terrible so i may be overlooking it. It is the new starter army box formation for space wolves. Google will give you the rules real fast. If you can't find it. Let me know. |
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Post by gigasnail on May 31, 2016 19:13:08 GMT
Excellent, ty sir.
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Post by shadowfinder on Jun 1, 2016 0:01:17 GMT
Welcome. Love to see your list and how is it doing. |
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Post by gigasnail on Jun 1, 2016 2:37:29 GMT
dude. deathpack is (please do not swear) awesome, that's stupidly hilarious. be careful when searching for it, i'm pretty sure i'm on a (another) watch list because i accidentally clicked 'death pact formation.pdf'
so, seriously i dunno. we're supposed to try to play tommorrow, haven't gotten to play since the last time i took KDK out. let me mess with the nub of a list i have now and ruminate a bit on it.
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Post by gigasnail on Jun 1, 2016 3:11:57 GMT
will have to go w/ the deathpack probably; i only have 6 TWC/varanguard, and my big deathcycle khorne lord for 7 total, unless i also proxy in the 3 bloodcrushers which i don't want to do just from a unifying visual feel (even when proxying i try keep consistent!).
so, something like:
deathpack
wolflord, runic, TWC, fist/SS
grey hunters w/ various gear
X6 TWC, fists/shield
murderpack
X5 wulfen, various gear
X5 wulfen, various gear
X5 wulfen, various gear
and then i guess librarius conclave? go ahead and make the deathpack run/charge thing go while it lasts (b/c after the FAQ's are in, this probably won't extend to any outside formation IC's in the unit, but who knows). or should we go full SUPER DICK MODE and do skyhammer? let me look at points.
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Post by gigasnail on Jun 1, 2016 4:01:11 GMT
ok so there are no points to do the deathpack/murderpack/skyhammer. after gearing the wolves, the skyhammer with no gear added at all put me over 120 points. so, that was out. i had my hunters with X2 melta in a pod, but after adding librarius i had to take them back down to the basic 5 dudes and move some wulfen gear around. so it looks something like:
deathpack
lord, TWC, fist/shield, helm, X2 fenrisian wolves
grey hunters X5 (meltagun, X4 CCW)
TWC X6, fist/shield
murderpack
X5 wulfen, TH/SS, TH/SS + launcher, greataxe, greataxe, pack leader w/ claws
X5 wulfen, TH/SS, TH/SS + launcher, greataxe, greataxe, pack leader w/ claws
X5 wulfen, TH/SS, TH/SS + launcher, greataxe, greataxe, claws
librarius (white scars)
lvl 2 libby, bike, maul
lvl 2 libby, bike, maul
lvl 2 libby, bike, maul
puts me at 1849. i have a couple of axe guys (5 S10 S8 AP2 I5 attacks each) and a couple of pack leaders to force challenges (S6 AP2 shred w/ 7 attacks on the charge at I5 is pretty gnarly), the TWC are bog standard fist/shield, helm is obvious/autoinclude. libarius conclave goes with TWC, it's pretty standard and gives hit and run and buffs the unit (whether biomancy, invis, w/e).
hammer/shield on all the wulfen is probably a better/safer idea, but S10 S8 hits at AP2 I5 is just too much to give up.
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Post by gigasnail on Jun 1, 2016 4:38:45 GMT
you can drop a unit of wulfen and fit in skyhammer instead of the libarius:
deathpack
lord, TWC, fist/shield, helm, X2 fenrisian wolves
grey hunters X5 (meltagun, X4 CCW)
TWC X6, fist/shield
murderpack
X5 wulfen, TH/SS, TH/SS + launcher, greataxe, greataxe, pack leader w/ claws
X5 wulfen, TH/SS, TH/SS + launcher, greataxe, greataxe, pack leader w/ claws
SAF
X10 AM
X5 AM
X5 grav dev, pod
X5 MM dev, pod
this is probably better/safer as it gives you some T1 donkey punching ability, but i don't like giving up the 3rd unit of wargs. if i had more TWC i would probably just run another deathpack for lulz.
ok i derpteded, and one unit of wulfen didn't have weapons. had to drop a TWC to pay for that loadout, so it's more like:
1832/1850 right now
deathpack
lord, TWC, fist/shield, helm, X2 fenrisian wolves
grey hunters X5 (meltagun, X4 CCW)
TWC X, fist/shield
murderpack
X5 wulfen, TH/SS, TH/SS + launcher, greataxe, greataxe, pack leader w/ claws
X5 wulfen, TH/SS, TH/SS + launcher, greataxe, greataxe, pack leader w/ claws
SAF
X10 AM
X5 AM
X5 grav dev, pod
X5 MM dev, pod
leaves a few points for AM sgt upgrades or something. dunno that i like either of these lists, they are *very* vulnerable to drop lists/alpha strike.
edit: i am not leaving myself open to grav alpha. not even in a 'for funsies' list. need a VSG or skyshield, which means i need a CAD or company of the greatwolf.
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