Allies question?

[tomb]

To add an allied force to your army, you need only add an allied Hq'and an allied troops selection right., not Hq and 2x troops?
I don't have my book to hand, cheers all.

[gigasnail]

an allied detachment is minimum 1 hq and 1 troop.

that's just one kind of detachment though, there are many you can add.

[tomb]

Cheers Giga!

[cypheon]

tomb: gone are the days you -have- to use the allied detachment for an allied force.... if you wanted to add one of the khorne daemonkin formations to your nids as an ally, you go right ahead and take the 4 juggernaut, 4 termie formation

[tomb]

Cheers Cypheon, I must admit I was thinking about guard. Some armies don't have formations yet, (and really need them)! I wonder if we will see Stealer Cult rules with our new codex?

I hadn't thought about using Deamon kin with Nids, I guess they give a healthy close combat and board control boost to our dex?

Now if we see Tzeentch Deamonkin, sign me up! A formation with screamers and Heralds would be very tasty.

Has anyone tried allied Tzeentch units?

[nalathani]

Playing Nids for so long I'm also not really sure anymore what is legal. Why use the Allied Detachment at all? For example, if I were to start an Eldar army, could I have 1 Eldar Cad, 1 Dark Eldar Cad, and then a Harlequins Cad all in one army? I know there's tons of other detachments, but if you just wanted to use a ton of CADs could you?

[WestRider]

Nov 19, 2015 16:28:58 GMT nalathani said:

Playing Nids for so long I'm also not really sure anymore what is legal. Why use the Allied Detachment at all? For example, if I were to start an Eldar army, could I have 1 Eldar Cad, 1 Dark Eldar Cad, and then a Harlequins Cad all in one army? I know there's tons of other detachments, but if you just wanted to use a ton of CADs could you?

Some Tournaments place restrictions on duplicating Detachments, but the main Rules don't. That said, sometimes the Allied Detachment is nice when you're mostly taking that force for something other than Troops, and don't want to have to shell out for a second Troops Choice. For instance, I sometimes take a CSM Allied Detachment consisting of just a JuggerLord with Axe of Blind Fury and a single Unit of Culties as Allies for my DaemonKin. The JuggerLord is all I really want there, so why shell out for the extra Culties to make that into a CAD.

Also, Harlequins are one of those weird forces that can't run either a CAD or an Allied Detachment. They have no HQ Units, so can't fill that mandatory slot. They can only be fielded in a BattleForged Army by using their own unique Detachments and Formations.

[tomb]

Spot On Westrider, Cheap single troop allies to gain access to other units and Tournament comp are the reasons I am interested in allies. 

I'm actually glad that local tournaments comp (limit) formations to one (plus CAD plus allies), the imperium, eldar and others have way to much access to super strong detachments/formations.

Who knows maybe we will be chomping at the bit to use multiple formations when our new book appears...


Derp- edited to try to make more sense (cheers Giga).

[gigasnail]

You already should be using multiple detachments.

[tomb]

Sorry I meant formations....

Your totally right Giga I (we) do use Cad, allies and HFD which are all detachments ...

Data slates are formations, ah the joy of contemporary 40k for Nids.

How many sources do you (anyone)  bring to a game?

[gigasnail]

dataslate/detachment/formation is often effectively/pretty much the same thing (some exceptions, like the KDK war machines, or the eldar warhost's wraithknights, aren't). it can be hard to keep up with.

we do ITC on the west coast, so 3 is our limit here.

[N.I.B.]

3 sources has been the latest allowance in our tournaments, before that it was 2.

[tomb]

I'm a big fan of the ITC format. Frontline gaming and the west coast community are doing a great job in progressing competitive gaming and 'balancing' comp.

The west coast is also a dream location, I'm sure the reality is well 'normal' for you guys but Californication got sold to us Brits as a pretty sweet deal in the 90's!

I lived in Vancouver for a few years  around 2002-6 and I would go back in a heartbeat. I'm now based in south west England which is very nice but somewhat lacking in regular organised competitive tournemant gaming. I used to follow the national fantasy tournemant circuit and I played ETC over in Serbia. Now I'm keen to do the same with 40k.

However working on convincing the lass  that a 'holiday' to The LVO would be a nice break for both of us just doesn't seem to wash!

Can anyone recommend any upcoming UK tournaments? Or if we were to travel to the states which big tournament is in a great location for a convenient holiday for us Brits?

Edit- I'd also like to ask about European tournaments, what is coming up where and how can we sell the idea of a short break to our better halves!

[WestRider]

There can also be weirdness in how people count different Detachments. I like the ITC system, but there's a local TO whose events I go to fairly often who's got a weird system where he allows Decurion-class Detachments, but each Choice within them counts toward your limit of 3 Detachments. A number of us are pushing him to just switch to ITC restrictions, but he doesn't like them, for some reason that he's never been able to articulate clearly.

[cypheon]

he doesn't like them because they allow space marines to bring 10 (minimum) obsec drop pods without paying points for them without having to worry about having enough detachments left over for other hilariously broken toys like a str 10 ap2 10" blast weapon. and a flier formation with bonuses like "bombing run auto-hits and has increased chance to auto-remove whatever it hits regardless of anything".

you can swing all of that in an 1850pt list if you really want to slim down upgrade options, and by ITC, it's only 1 detachment, yet uses 4 formations to build that detachment.

i'm guessing that's partially playing into why he doesn't like having decurions count as one consolidated whole for formation limitations.