Tyrannofexes vs Eldar Jetbikes

[nikh]

So I got to thinking about this new Eldar threat, mainly because my local Eldar opponent is stocking up on jetbikes. So I'm curious, has anyone tried dealing with bikes using a Tyrannofex? S6, Ignores Cover, Torrent template weapon sounds pretty appealing. Plus access to Thorax biomorphs and being generally tough to kill, especially with Regen, makes me think they might be the answer to some of our space elf woes. Anyone give it a shot, or think it might be viable?

[Kark]

Acid spray is AP4 only and it is going to hit 3 bikes at a time if Your enemy spread them correctly. Besides jetbikes have 36" range of fire with 12" of movement and 2d6" of extra movement in assault phase. If not taken with tyrannocyte T-fex will be out of range to shoot at bikes most likely.

Taking mawlocs is far better choice. Deepstrike anywhere You want with S6 AP2 and ignores cover. Jetbikes can of course escape on higher levels, but this forces dangerous terrain tests and maybe some casualties. And mawlocs are cheaper.

[LordPathos]

Kark is right, hitting 3 bikes is not worth the effort. You need to up that hit count. Obviously popping out of a T-cyte could do it, but do you know what number is far greater than 3? 20. You're only option is clear:

USE THE FLESHBORER HIVE!

[nikh]

Wishful thinking on my part I suppose...have we found a solid counter for them yet? Is it Mawlocs?

[topaxygourouni]

Jul 5, 2015 18:21:17 GMT nikh said:

Wishful thinking on my part I suppose...have we found a solid counter for them yet? Is it Mawlocs?

Eeerm drop 3 tyrrancytes filled with 20 devils each. Shoot. Kill 3 jetbike units. Have fun.

Don't know why people have forgotten that the podded devilgants are terrifying.

Edit: STOP! MATHHAMMER TIME! 20 devils shoot 180 shots. That's 90 hits and against bikes it's 45 wounds. Bikes save on a 3+, that's 15 dead bikes. Even with fortune that's 5 dead bikes. And they can't have fortune on all their units. Plus 10 scatter bikes cost 270 pts, 20 devils + cyte = 235 pts. Win win.

[gigasnail]

it also costs 825 points. just mawlock them.

[nidpocalypse]

Jul 5, 2015 18:40:51 GMT topaxygourouni said:

Jul 5, 2015 18:21:17 GMT nikh said:

Wishful thinking on my part I suppose...have we found a solid counter for them yet? Is it Mawlocs?

Eeerm drop 3 tyrrancytes filled with 20 devils each. Shoot. Kill 3 jetbike units. Have fun.

Don't know why people have forgotten that the podded devilgants are terrifying.

Edit: STOP! MATHHAMMER TIME! 20 devils shoot 180 shots. That's 90 hits and against bikes it's 45 wounds. Bikes save on a 3+, that's 15 dead bikes. Even with fortune that's 5 dead bikes. And they can't have fortune on all their units. Plus 10 scatter bikes cost 270 pts, 20 devils + cyte = 235 pts. Win win.

Posted by gigasnail20 minutes ago

it also costs 825 points. just mawlock them.



Correct me if I'm wrong, but Giga, I think the way topaxy is saying is for each group of podded devilgaunts you get 1 dead bike unit.  So 3 separate pods should kill 3 separate bike units with volume of fire.  I could be misunderstanding, but that's how I read it.

[TheNateDevourer]

Jul 5, 2015 18:40:51 GMT topaxygourouni said:

Jul 5, 2015 18:21:17 GMT nikh said:

Wishful thinking on my part I suppose...have we found a solid counter for them yet? Is it Mawlocs?

Eeerm drop 3 tyrrancytes filled with 20 devils each. Shoot. Kill 3 jetbike units. Have fun.

Don't know why people have forgotten that the podded devilgants are terrifying.

Edit: STOP! MATHHAMMER TIME! 20 devils shoot 180 shots. That's 90 hits and against bikes it's 45 wounds. Bikes save on a 3+, that's 15 dead bikes. Even with fortune that's 5 dead bikes. And they can't have fortune on all their units. Plus 10 scatter bikes cost 270 pts, 20 devils + cyte = 235 pts. Win win.

20 Devilgaunts throw out 60 shots, with 30 hits, 15 wounds, and 5 dead bikes, plus one dead bike from the cyte. Not terrible, but not quite as good as you're saying.

[topaxygourouni]

I think it's 705 pts (60 x 8 + 3 x 75). Still each pod + 20 devils is cheaper than 10 scatter bikes. So you have more than 1000 pts remaining to deal with the rest of the eldar (ie wraithknights, although i don't know with what).

nate devourer yeah, my bad. Still each devil pod will severely cripple the bike squads and will leave our monsters intact. Plus the eldar player will HAVE to target the termagants, because if they don't they will get wiped out next turn. And everything is fine when scatter lasers shoot at termagants.

[gigasnail]

Jul 5, 2015 19:54:16 GMT nidpocalypse said:

Jul 5, 2015 18:40:51 GMT topaxygourouni said:

Eeerm drop 3 tyrrancytes filled with 20 devils each. Shoot. Kill 3 jetbike units. Have fun.

Don't know why people have forgotten that the podded devilgants are terrifying.

Edit: STOP! MATHHAMMER TIME! 20 devils shoot 180 shots. That's 90 hits and against bikes it's 45 wounds. Bikes save on a 3+, that's 15 dead bikes. Even with fortune that's 5 dead bikes. And they can't have fortune on all their units. Plus 10 scatter bikes cost 270 pts, 20 devils + cyte = 235 pts. Win win.

Posted by gigasnail20 minutes ago

it also costs 825 points. just mawlock them.



Correct me if I'm wrong, but Giga, I think the way topaxy is saying is for each group of podded devilgaunts you get 1 dead bike unit.  So 3 separate pods should kill 3 separate bike units with volume of fire.  I could be misunderstanding, but that's how I read it.

3 units of 30 gants in pods is still 825 points, which is crazed.

[rampagingfex]

You can only take 20 in a pod.

-RF

[Kark]

Remember that pods with devil gaunts arrive on turn 2 or later and eldar player has a chance to buff them up. Bikes may have 3+/3+ or 2+ cover from shrouded, or 2+ save (all with possible rerolls) or simply invisibility. Mawlocs can deal with all that buffs and they work without synapse just fine.

[topaxygourouni]

Yup, only 20 devils so it's 700 pts for 3 podded units, 180 devil shots plus the cytes and obsec deepstriking troops with decent IB table. It's not much if you consider that the eldar player is paying more for his 3 units of bikes.

[topaxygourouni]

Jul 5, 2015 20:28:22 GMT Kark said:

Remember that pods with devil gaunts arrive on turn 2 or later and eldar player has a chance to buff them up. Bikes may have 3+/3+ or 2+ cover from shrouded, or 2+ save (all with possible rerolls) or simply invisibility. Mawlocs can deal with all that buffs and they work without synapse just fine.

Yeah but if the opponent smells mawlocs they will spread their bikes or congaline them and then you will only get to hit 3 at best even if you hit.

[Kark]

IB lurk is descent? if they fail their ld6 test there is 50% chance they will fall back or 50% they may fire only when in cover. That is hardly descent to me. In HFD termagants may reroll the effect and save themselves from falling back, but they loose objective secured in such case.