Any One Tried The Children Cryptus?

[TheHiveKing]

Has any one actually tried the children of crypts in a competitive game before? If so, how did it go?

[N.I.B.]

Not good. IIRC, they were blown away by Wyverns turn 1.

[mattblowers]

That's my biggest concern right now,gribblies are our answer to a lot right now, but wyverns ruin that strategy.

[dcoy]

I'm pretty sure every one of our units has some hard counter or another. How about we talk about things that this unit might be good for or against rather than trying to shut down every single thread about our codex/supplements/formations in 2 posts by talking about things that ignore cover.  Also consider that in a competitive environment you may never run into that a player that has Wyverns, AND if they spend a turn firing at this unit they aren't shooting at something else you brought.  If I went into any of my games not expecting to have a few of my units get blown off the board without accomplishing anything, I'd probably never win with nids.  That's just how we are.

[Hive Bahamut]

That's the funny part though. There is enough ignore cover out there that stealth is a hilarious bonus for a box set that comes with Angels all with flamer weaponry. This is compounded by the stupid load outs the Warriors and Carnifex have. If either of them could be whatever this could be a very similar melee version to living artillery node. As it stands it's like the designers gave a kid the kits and let them build what they thought looked cool without a clue of function. Useless.

Probably the worst formation apart from incubator node. 2 tax units with ridiculous load outs. Genestealers still aren't good and shroud is easy enough to get with a 45-85 point tax instead that will actually help your army more.

They can hold objectives?!

We complain a lot but for just reason. What army can YOU think of where this formation would do ANYTHING too? Useless against Tau, Imperium, Eldar, Chaos, maybe necrons and Dark Eldar because of how little ignores cover in their book? Naww they just nuke you with weight of fire instead. Bleh.

[dcoy]

Jun 20, 2015 20:19:35 GMT Hive Bahamut said:

That's the funny part though. There is enough ignore cover out there that stealth is a hilarious bonus for a box set that comes with Angels all with flamer weaponry. This is compounded by the stupid load outs the Warriors and Carnifex have. If either of them could be whatever this could be a very similar melee version to living artillery node. As it stands it's like the designers gave a kid the kits and let them build what they thought looked cool without a clue of function. Useless.

Probably the worst formation apart from incubator node. 2 tax units with ridiculous load outs. Genestealers still aren't good and shroud is easy enough to get with a 45-85 point tax instead that will actually help your army more.

They can hold objectives?!

We complain a lot but for just reason. What army can YOU think of where this formation would do ANYTHING too? Useless against Tau, Imperium, Eldar, Chaos, maybe necrons and Dark Eldar because of how little ignores cover in their book? Naww they just nuke you with weight of fire instead. Bleh.

I agree, our army's over-reliance on cover is one of our major disadvantages.  I'm merely suggesting that if that is so much of a problem that we have to shut down every single conversation by pointing out that weakness (that we all already know exists) then maybe, JUST MAYBE, we aren't playing the right army.

[gigasnail]

ignores cover and AP5 or better is very common. this isn't some 'BUT IF THEY HAVE WYVERNNNSSSSS' like it's a rare or significant event. stealers are bad for a lot of reasons.

[slithernaut]

Coulda shoulda woulda been so much better if they were simply the ymagrl stealers reintroduced...

[dcoy]

Jun 21, 2015 1:47:20 GMT gigasnail said:

ignores cover and AP5 or better is very common. this isn't some 'BUT IF THEY HAVE WYVERNNNSSSSS' like it's a rare or significant event. stealers are bad for a lot of reasons.

On a hypothetical note, what if we had a psyker that had access to Catalyst as a guaranteed spell, similar to Zoanthrope access to Warp Blast.  Would that fix our troop units or make them more versatile against ignores cover weaponry? 

I personally run gaunt blobs for troops usually.  They have the same weakness to ignores cover as the rest of our troop models.  At least it takes heavy flamers to ignore our Warrior's armor, but as for the majority of our troop choices, we don't really have a lot of options outside of gaunt/terv to shore up that particular weakness albeit at a high point cost.

[jimmyp]

Mine is still on the sprues sadly, gene stealers and brood Lord are cool models but simply are pony to play these days...maybe in the future eh, optimistic.

[gigasnail]

Jun 21, 2015 4:12:38 GMT dcoy said:

Jun 21, 2015 1:47:20 GMT gigasnail said:

ignores cover and AP5 or better is very common. this isn't some 'BUT IF THEY HAVE WYVERNNNSSSSS' like it's a rare or significant event. stealers are bad for a lot of reasons.

On a hypothetical note, what if we had a psyker that had access to Catalyst as a guaranteed spell, similar to Zoanthrope access to Warp Blast.  Would that fix our troop units or make them more versatile against ignores cover weaponry? 

I personally run gaunt blobs for troops usually.  They have the same weakness to ignores cover as the rest of our troop models.  At least it takes heavy flamers to ignore our Warrior's armor, but as for the majority of our troop choices, we don't really have a lot of options outside of gaunt/terv to shore up that particular weakness albeit at a high point cost.

maybe? i don't run horde gants but gargs with FNP and shrouded have been a real pain to dig out for lists unprepared to deal with that. problem i think is that there's a higher volume of fire than ever before out there, and FNP on a T3 6+ armor frame only goes so far.

100% catalyst on a unit, that's a big hypothetical. be nice if tervs came back around and got that by default.

our best troop options still seem to be rippers/mucolids. we're not winning the OBSEC game in an open environment right now.

[Jabberwocky]

The only way to make gribblies work against the plethora of ap5 ignores cover is to have tons of them.

This formation is too expensive to help achieve that.

[Kark]

Barrage blasts from thunderfire cannons, wyverns, whirlwinds and eldar weavers or d cannons apart from stealers or other gribblies can hit nearby units like tyrants or crones who normally wouldn't be hit by blasts at all.

I know that some tournaments alter this rule, but sticking to rulebook, FMCs can be hit by blasts this way.

[angelwing]

I've not used it in competitive play, but I did use it in a recent apoc game as I figured any inefficiencies would be lost among the huge points and size anyway. The warriors stood back acting as an objective holder while the carnifex roamed forward shooting at any targets of opportunity. I think I got to use preferred enemy once, and the warriors finished off a rhino with the venom cannon (which got a cheers from me). I put the stealers into outflank reserve, and being apoc could choose when to bring them on. I didn't bother as during the first two turns they would have been vaporised instantly, then the last two turns they would have been too far away from anything to matter.
The warrior loadout is so wonky I had to cherry pick models from different squads to make up the unit, and count a set of rending claws as scything talons instead despite my very large and varied collection of warriors.

The formation is for non competitive games, and works best in the cityfight environment to take better advantage of the formation special rules. I'd certainly consider the carnifex and stealers as stand alone units for regular games, but the warriors not so much.