Are Biovores Worth it?

[fnorrll]

My most regular opponent is guard which is probably what bio votes are best against but I have to say they kill guard like mad, he hates them. They're pretty damn good. Just because they're not elite cream of the crop tournament good doesn't mean they're very old units and worth using if you want to.

It's getting a bit boring to hear "nah they're (please do not swear) because elder can/tau will/knights laugh at" in answer to almost every question. There are a lot of dexes out there with much better units than ours. We all know this. Are biovores one of the better units in or codex in terms of doing what they are meant to? Yes I believe so. Are they the answer to high AV infantry? No. Are there other thins that kill infantry? Yes.

But they hit at log range, snipe targets, have barrage, a spore mine bonus, can hide out of LOS and can take out other targets out of LOS. They're far from a bad unit.

[Kark]

Jun 11, 2015 20:38:14 GMT jaysic said:

2) We haven't seen FMC spam win any major GTs.

I just remind that last ETC was won by (among other team mates) vladdi who had 2 flyrants and 3 hive crones (there were no HFD that time)

[gigasnail]

Jun 11, 2015 21:08:47 GMT fnorrll said:

My most regular opponent is guard which is probably what bio votes are best against but I have to say they kill guard like mad, he hates them. They're pretty damn good. Just because they're not elite cream of the crop tournament good doesn't mean they're very old units and worth using if you want to.

It's getting a bit boring to hear "nah they're (please do not swear) because elder can/tau will/knights laugh at" in answer to almost every question. There are a lot of dexes out there with much better units than ours. We all know this. Are biovores one of the better units in or codex in terms of doing what they are meant to? Yes I believe so. Are they the answer to high AV infantry? No. Are there other thins that kill infantry? Yes.

But they hit at log range, snipe targets, have barrage, a spore mine bonus, can hide out of LOS and can take out other targets out of LOS. They're far from a bad unit.

they're not bad, they still pile on wounds/force saves like they always have. They just don't do anything special or out of the ordinary and there's not a reason to take them over other, better choices.

[jaysic]

Jun 11, 2015 21:15:34 GMT Kark said:

Jun 11, 2015 20:38:14 GMT jaysic said:

2) We haven't seen FMC spam win any major GTs.

I just remind that last ETC was won by (among other team mates) vladdi who had 2 flyrants and 3 hive crones (there were no HFD that time)

I stand corrected

[Anggul]

Jun 11, 2015 21:20:04 GMT gigasnail said:

Jun 11, 2015 21:08:47 GMT fnorrll said:

My most regular opponent is guard which is probably what bio votes are best against but I have to say they kill guard like mad, he hates them. They're pretty damn good. Just because they're not elite cream of the crop tournament good doesn't mean they're very old units and worth using if you want to.

It's getting a bit boring to hear "nah they're (please do not swear) because elder can/tau will/knights laugh at" in answer to almost every question. There are a lot of dexes out there with much better units than ours. We all know this. Are biovores one of the better units in or codex in terms of doing what they are meant to? Yes I believe so. Are they the answer to high AV infantry? No. Are there other thins that kill infantry? Yes.

But they hit at log range, snipe targets, have barrage, a spore mine bonus, can hide out of LOS and can take out other targets out of LOS. They're far from a bad unit.

they're not bad, they still pile on wounds/force saves like they always have. They just don't do anything special or out of the ordinary and there's not a reason to take them over other, better choices.

I think they do their job fantastically.

The problem in a highly competitive setting is that their job isn't really called for, what with 2+ armour and high AV everywhere.

[gigasnail]

Exactly.

[fnorrll]

Those replies I can live with a bit more!

[slithernaut]

They just need to plane ignore cover and they'd be really good.

And D3 spore mine for Each biovore in the brood when you miss and we have a really heavy hitter, or misser I should say.

[nurglitch]

Jun 11, 2015 20:20:46 GMT Kark said:

Jun 11, 2015 19:34:17 GMT nurglitch said:

I thought we played in such tournaments for the fun of trying to win.

It is like football (soccer) match. You can play it with Your friends for fun or You participate in world cup and go for the win.

It's not the World Cup. The only thing on the line is bragging rights, and the only way to earn those is to play for fun.

[mattblowers]

Let's be honest, if you are rolling up to a tournament with 'nids you already put it on hard mode. Let's stop with all the competitive talk already. We really aren't. Lictor spam hasn't made much of a showing since Decurion detachments dropped and with the new Eldar things got even worse. If you expect to have fun, 'nids are great. If you EXPECT to win, you're playing with the wrong army. So you can be like me: roll up with whatever you like to play and shoot for middle of the pack, anything else will be gravy and your fun factor will go up considerably.

[Kark]

Jun 12, 2015 15:25:06 GMT mattblowers said:

Let's be honest, if you are rolling up to a tournament with 'nids you already put it on hard mode. Let's stop with all the competitive talk already. We really aren't. Lictor spam hasn't made much of a showing since Decurion detachments dropped and with the new Eldar things got even worse. If you expect to have fun, 'nids are great. If you EXPECT to win, you're playing with the wrong army. So you can be like me: roll up with whatever you like to play and shoot for middle of the pack, anything else will be gravy and your fun factor will go up considerably.

I agree that tyranids are not very tournament winning army, but we have better and worse units, just like any other codex.

In my area, for instance, it is legal to bring come the apocalypse allies and this does make tyranids competitive. Best choices are necrons or IK, but You may include eldar jetbikes, deamons, centurions with grav cannons etc. So if I wanted artillery support, instead of biovores I would pick thunderfire cannon, wyvern or shadow weaver (d cannons maybe).

Other story is that some tournaments are played in teams, like ETC themed ones (these are very popular in my country). In this case tyranids can be a good counter for IK armies or wolfstars (FMCs spam), swarm armies like astra  militarum (with mawlocs and tyrants spam). Besides using FMCs helps a lot with not being tabled and this gives some chance to earn points for the team. Example my first teammate has won 20:0, second one has won 17:3 and my team is expecting me to score at least 2 points, so I can loose 2:18 (or 3:17 and better) in order to achieve satisfying victory.

So, I disagree that nids are destined to loose every competitive tournament and they are right army if I EXPECT to win with them.

[topaxygourouni]

Best options would be tauanids. 3 dakka Flyrants and 3 mucolids from Leviathan, then fill the rest with riptides. Tadaaaaaaa.

[glitchrr36]

to answer the OP's question, it would depend on what you are trying to do. A guy at my store uses the LAN to reroll hits against vehicles, so he can ram them with the mines the next turn, costing a turn just to shoot them. Or, if you miss a blob of infantry, just hit them. if you don't, reroll.

[TheHiveKing]

Jun 12, 2015 23:21:37 GMT topaxygourouni said:

Best options would be tauanids. 3 dakka Flyrants and 3 mucolids from Leviathan, then fill the rest with riptides. Tadaaaaaaa.

Shure this list would be good, but it would destroy the fluff of nids.

[gigasnail]

lol, any allies for nids is fluff-destroying.