Eldar: Craftworld + Wraith list ideas/opinions

[LordPathos]

Hey guys,

I've been wanting to make a wraith list for a while and I think I'm going to bite the metaphorical bullet and spend the money of the units I need. But I have some questions that I need answered just so I can get an idea on my list. I'm also gonna throw out a few opinions of things I like so comments on those would be helpful too.

Now first, I want to know if the Iyanden supplement is really null and void at this point. I've seen plenty of posts online stating they are using it in 7th edition. But that could have been before Eldar: Craftworlds and as far as I'm aware, the wording that the supplement is for Codex: Eldar is the only thing stopping me from using it.

Second, the Matchless Agility only comes if I use one of the Guardian Hosts as my primary detachment right? If yes that kinda sucks because personally I don't like any of them. Plus if I'm going for a wraith themed army, I don't want War Walkers and Support Batteries all over the place.

Third, how many Wraithguard/blades should I bring? And should I keep the numbers low (5-6) and bring in Wave Serpents? Maybe 2 squads of each? I personally like the axes just for the extra invul save. I'm thinking either 2 Wraithblades with axes, 1 wraithguard with d-scythes, 1 wraithguard with wraithcannons. OR 1 Wraithblade with axes, 2 Wraithguards with cannons, 1 wraithguard with d-scythes.

Forth, I am not sure what to run with Wraithlords or the Wraithknight. I thought a clean Lord with just the sword would be decent enough but beyond that I'm lost. And for the Knight I am even more lost. I like the 2 options I can get by swapping out the 2 Heavy wraithcannons. And obviously it would be for whichever role I'd want the knight to play (long distance support or melee). Opinions on the shoulder mounted guns?

Fifth, Hemlock Fighter? Looks good to me on paper.

Lastly, I want to use the Wraithseer from FW as my second HQ. It a tougher and meaner Wraithlord that can give Wraithlords/Guards FNP or fleet and comes with a bunch of other goodies.

So any ideas would be great. Aaaaand go!

[gigasnail]

Iyaden looks null and void, which is kind of dumb. i doubt anyone cares if you use it friendly though. tournament, talk to your TO.

hemlock is vile now. X2 SD blasts (even if they are -1 on the chart, iirc) + ML2 psyker. gross.

[LordPathos]

Forgot to ask this earlier but if I ran 2 detachments could one of them be from the Iyanden supplement and the other be a guardian warhost or just a stand combined arms detachment?

[glitchrr36]

In tournaments iyanden is a no go

[LordPathos]

Nothing else? Come on guys, we can do better than that.

[Jabberwocky]

I couldn't give any advice until I've had a chance to grab the new book.

[Hive Bahamut]

Wraith host is nice. I wouldn't bother chasing the 6" run with battle focus though if you are wraith focused. Wraith lords are still garbage, not sure why the Lord is not allowed to play with the others but whatever. Still a decent platform for a couple Lances if you need.

Wraith blades with axes are a good escort for your HQ.

One or two squads with cannons and the same for scythes. You need these guys in transports because no one in their right mind is going to let something with D walk across the board and toast them.

A Hemlock would be a good addition as well, the extra Psyker and 2 D blasts can't hurt.

DON'T do the Suncannon Knight. The other two options are D, and the twinlinked bonus is gone for the Suncannon. (Guess what I have to tear apart?) Throw 2 Starcannons on the shoulders for some more AP2 goodness now that he can fire all weapons.

[gigasnail]

Load him up on scatlasers. what's good for the goose and all.

[LordPathos]

I'm thinking one combined arms detachment with a spiritseer and a wraithseer, the latter being my warlord. Then the wraith host formation. If I do all wraith stuff that will be 5 guards/blades (I'm thinking 2 blades with axes, one for each spiritseer) then I'll figure out the 3 guards later, a wraithknight, at least one lord, and I'll probably add a hemlock. I'm not sure if i would want 5 wave serpents (one for each guard/blade unit) but probably at least 3. Thoughts?

[LordPathos]

And now before I even have the army built, painted, or even designed list-wise I have decided on the Craftworld. One I made up where the only living things are the Spiritseers, including the pilots of the Hemlocks and Wraithknights. I have a translation for the world-rune of the crafworld: "Scurath Tanns", the "Marching Ghosts". The idea is that every Eldar willingly gave up their souls to the Infinity Circuit so they may be put into the Wraithbone constructs. I don't know what to do for the world-rune, but I like this idea for the Craftworld.

Something I didn't notice is that Spiritseers don't allow Wraithguard/blade to be troops. So with that, I don't know what troops to use. I can't use formations to use up my mandatory troops or else I'd use the Dire Avenger formation. I'd like some suggestions on this as well.

[Jabberwocky]

Bikes are the obvious choice, though guardians would be a nice screen if you end up walking any wraiths.

Rangers would also be cheap and easy to pick up turn 1 maelstrom/relic.

[rpricew]

Ran this list against a Tau Gunline last night:
1850
CAD:
Farseer (Bike)
5 x Windriders (5 x Scat)
5 x Windriders (5 x Scat)

Wraith Host:
Spiritseer
5 x Wraith Guard (D-Cannons & Wave Serpent: Holo Fields, Ghostwalk, Star Engines)
5 x Wraith Guard (D-Cannons & Wave Serpent: Holo Fields, Ghostwalk, Star Engines)
5 x Wraith Guard (D-Scythes & Wave Serpent: Holo Fields, Ghostwalk, Star Engines)
Wraithlord (2 x Star Cannon)
WraithKnight (2 x Heavy D-Cannon)

Felt like I had control of the game and had all of the tools necessary to pull apart the Tau:

His list was Tau CAD with Firebase Cadre

[LordPathos]

I wanted to run this Craftworld narrative that the only living Eldar are the Spiritseers that now that I NEED to talk windrunners, guardians, or dire avengers, that I'm totally depressed. Sadface.

[Jabberwocky]

Just ditch the CAD. FW will update the wraithseers rules soon anyway and you can go unbound with the needed hqs for now and still have your wraith host bonuses.

[LordPathos]

Put it's not the HQs that's the problem. It's that I didn't want to use any of the regular troop choices. I'm a little shocked they took out the little bonus that if you bring a Spiritseer, Wraithguards/blades are troop choices. I guess that was OP now that Blades are 10 points cheaper. Who would ever take Windriders when you have 150pt Wraithblades?