New Dark Angels

[Kark]

ETC is coming and my national team is preparing their army lists for the tournament. All new codexes that are released till end of may can be used in this year championship. Everyone is saying that until end of may there will be a new dark angels codex. This is not an official announcement, but seems to be very probable.

[mattblowers]

Yeah, not too sure about that yet. We have the assassins game that releases on the 1st, the rumored Fantasy ruleset for a long time (I can't imagine less than 2 weeks for an entire edition for 1 of the 2 main gaming systems they sell), and the full-blown Codex: Adeptus Mechanicus for another week (though I bet 2 since the Skitari was even more than one week). That's five weeks there. I wouldn't hold out hope. Add to that the rumor that IKs are getting two more models, it doesn't look really promising. If you like Dark Angels, then take them, but I don't expect any big power boost from them.

[Kark]

It looks, like we will have dark angels new codex this weekend for pre-order.

I heard rumours that:

-DA termies and bikes will have obj sec
-new relicts and psychic discipline
-cheaper characters
-overall cheaper units (termies, bikes, flyers)
-Azrael as LoW
-new formations

[gigasnail]

Mate of mine is a sm/da player. Dude is absolutely giddy right now lol.

[WestRider]

There have been pics leaked of DA Devs with Grav, so that's in. If the Points on things like Termies and Bikes get brought in line with the Marine Dex (and the Attacks on Dreads ) that right there would make me very happy. Hopefully their Flyers will also not suck.

[bredkooler]

Quite honestly, even if they copy/paste the entire SM codex and just white out adeptus astartes and write in dark angels with crayons, it'll be the best codex DA have ever had. Please, for the love of the Emperor, just put DA in line with vanilla marines...

[gigasnail]

^ troof.

[WestRider]

Jun 18, 2015 3:36:19 GMT bredkooler said:

Quite honestly, even if they copy/paste the entire SM codex and just white out adeptus astartes and write in dark angels with crayons, it'll be the best codex DA have ever had. Please, for the love of the Emperor, just put DA in line with vanilla marines...

I would be entirely happy with a DA Dex that was just a Chapter Tactic, a few Special Characters, unique Relics/Warlord Traits/Tactical Objectives, and a few Formations.

[mattblowers]

Jun 15, 2015 22:28:15 GMT WestRider said:

Hopefully their Flyers will also not suck.

I don't get that. I don't play them anymore, I sold all mine off last spring, but when I did I found the flyers to be quite good. Their issue wasn't their abilities is was their horrific costs. Just cut them down to be in line with other flyers and I think they will be fine.

[Kark]

I was told that DA decurion has 3 core formations: ravenwing, deathwing and greenwing.

[WestRider]

Jun 18, 2015 11:43:32 GMT mattblowers said:

Jun 15, 2015 22:28:15 GMT WestRider said:

Hopefully their Flyers will also not suck.

I don't get that. I don't play them anymore, I sold all mine off last spring, but when I did I found the flyers to be quite good. Their issue wasn't their abilities is was their horrific costs. Just cut them down to be in line with other flyers and I think they will be fine.

A significant part of why I say they suck is just that they're so badly overcosted, yeah. There is a bit more, tho, the Nephilim should be a proper dogfighter, able to reliably do something to AV12 Flyers (just make its Missiles H-Ks and or give the Bolt Cannon Rending), and the Rift Cannon on the Dark Talon should be way more badass.

I've proxied my Storm Talons to try them out, and as it stands, I'll take them as Storm Talons any day.

[mattblowers]

I'll agree, the Nephilim needs something to make it work. It's not really good against other flyers. It's pretty against ground targets though; the mega bolter should be more shots or rending and the missiles should like regular ones (or at least S7). The Dark Talon synergy is astounding though. The stasis bomb well timed is a game changer if you are using Deathwing. The Hurrican bolter on the at thing and a LR with them near a banner of devastation is wonder to behold for the amount of damage that can be done.

[WestRider]

Yeah, they definitely have parts that I like, it's just that the total package (including cost) comes up seriously underwhelming.

[gigasnail]

wut? so many units, what makes them awful is their cost. there's nothing new here.

[WestRider]

Eh, there's also the fact that the Rift Cannon is pretty weak, and the Nephilim is really bad at its stated role (air superiority) at any price.