Slay the Warlord / Mucolid

[jaysic]

Funny thought I had while at work today.

Mucolids having the "Living Bomb" rule, which states "Do not award Victory Points when destroyed, and do not count towards combat resolution."

Slay the Warlord states "If the enemy army has a warlord, and at the end of the game the Warlord has been removed as a casualty, you score 1 VP."

So since it doesn't award VPs, do you effectively jerk your opponent out of the VP if you make your Mucolid / Meiotic / Spore Mine your warlord?

[BattleMetalChris]

I'm imagining a Mucolid Spore wearing a Hive Tyrant's head it's found, and trying to pretend that everything is normal. The disguise utterly convinces The Norn Queen up in orbit, like Chicken Boo from Animaniacs.

[nikh]

You can make a Mucolid Spore a Warlord?

[ZergLord]

It isn't a character, so no.

[jaysic]

You can make any model your warlord in 7th, you just don't get a warlord trait unless you're a character.

[cypheon]

"Someone" reorganized everything while I was at work so I can't find my BRB yet, but if I remember the wording correctly...

Warlord selection has an order to it. First, you nominate HQ slot characters, if any. If no (say, swinging tervigons as HQ), then you nominate any character at all (brood lords, neurothropes, Red Terror). If you still do not have an eligible model, then you can just pick any tom, dick, or harry.

As for the question at hand, no, choosing a mucolid (or sporemine) doesn't stop Slay the Warlord. My reasoning: the mucolids ability states "when destroyed", which usually indicates vp's awarded specifically as soon as a model/unit dies. scenarios/abilities that state "gain a VP when you wipe out a unit and/or a character", things like that (like death leapers auto trait).

Slay the warlord, on the other hand, doesn't check its conditions until the end of the game, long after the mucolids ability would interfere.

However the TACOs that award bonus points for a warlord kill would be blocked in a maelstrom game, as they are resolved during the same turn as the completion of their objective.

At least that's how we had interpreted similar situations every where I've seen them come up. It sounds a little close to an MtG style of ruling, but it works in most cases.

[jaysic]

Derp. Just looked up it. Has nothing to do with HQ, but "...Unless specified otherwise, must be a character model..."

So yeah, pretty much impossible for us to do (though still valid, technically). I'll just stay with my outflanking Broodlord Warlord. Fun concept, though.

[grarik]

Apr 15, 2015 23:58:42 GMT jaysic said:

Derp. Just looked up it. Has nothing to do with HQ, but "...Unless specified otherwise, must be a character model..."

So yeah, pretty much impossible for us to do (though still valid, technically). I'll just stay with my outflanking Broodlord Warlord. Fun concept, though.

I imagine its still possible as long as you don't have a character model. Funnily enough, since the tervigon is not a character, I'm fairly certain that we're the only standardised army that can take an army without a single character

[rpricew]

Apr 16, 2015 0:27:32 GMT grarik said:

Apr 15, 2015 23:58:42 GMT jaysic said:

Derp. Just looked up it. Has nothing to do with HQ, but "...Unless specified otherwise, must be a character model..."

So yeah, pretty much impossible for us to do (though still valid, technically). I'll just stay with my outflanking Broodlord Warlord. Fun concept, though.

I imagine its still possible as long as you don't have a character model. Funnily enough, since the tervigon is not a character, I'm fairly certain that we're the only standardised army that can take an army without a single character

Oh the days of Challenging an enemy Character with a Tervigon (AG, TS, CC) and dropping 5 Smash attacks on his head.... "wait wut?"

[Kark]

Apr 15, 2015 21:36:10 GMT jaysic said:

Funny thought I had while at work today.

Mucolids having the "Living Bomb" rule, which states "Do not award Victory Points when destroyed, and do not count towards combat resolution."

Slay the Warlord states "If the enemy army has a warlord, and at the end of the game the Warlord has been removed as a casualty, you score 1 VP."

So since it doesn't award VPs, do you effectively jerk your opponent out of the VP if you make your Mucolid / Meiotic / Spore Mine your warlord?

I talked with local referee about that situation and the conclusion was that 'slay the warlord' would be awarded, but no kill point. There was also the discussion about first blood. It is very confusing, but some players insist that if mines did not detonate (were killed in shooting or other way) they do award first blood for the enemy (still no kill point).