Skytyrant question

[comrade]

In regards to the Skytyrant formation, can I take all of the hits on my Tyrants 3+ armour save and then look out sir the wounds if any fail? 

Or is that an illegal move? 

[WestRider]

No, it doesn't work that way. You have to LoS before you roll any Saves.

[comrade]

I had my hive tyrant in front of the entire formation so he would be the closest model to any enemy model.

[Osedaxx]

Correct me if I'm wrong but LoS comes into play before any hits that require closest model distance to be measured.

[phayze]

LoS happens immediately after a wound is allocated to the character. so after distance checks, after roll to hit, right after roll to wound. (technically you roll one die at a time on to hit and to wound, so one at a time for LoS, fast dice just lets you choose all at once)

[rroach]

There's no reason to have him up front. The last thing you need is your HT dying to a few lucky shots because he had to be in front of the pack.

[comrade]

he has regen and the look out sirs seem to help alot on a 2+

[WestRider]

The reason to have him up front is so that he can Jink for 2+ Cover thanks to the Venom/Malanthrope that you trail the Gargoyles back to. Only really valuable first Turn, before you're getting swamped by masses of small arms fire.

[comrade]

I had him jink turn one and look out sirs on gargoyles and on turn two I got into assault range of crisis suits thanks to the reroll with jump infantry. Insta-killed an entire crisis suit team while gargoyles cleaned up drones.

[rroach]

Fair enough. But a few large blasts on your gargoyles means a whole mess of 2+ LOS or 2+ cover saves. I'd prefer not to risk it.

[comrade]

That's why to mess with my opponent in our 1750 game I also ran an endless swarm alongside with my standard force org.

[Yautja]

Whole point of the formation is to just let the Gargoyles take the hits with the HT inside the blob. Don't risk rolling 1s for the sake of saving expendable units.

[creatureboi]

Exactly. I don't care if a 6 point gargoyle dies. I do care if my 250-300 point tyrant dies because of an unlucky LOS! roll. The hard part of this formation is maintaining the balance between having enough bodies between the tyrant and the unit(s) shooting him, and making sure there is still space to get the tyrant into combat when you do get in assault range

[gozolve]

Not fan of tanking with the tyrant with a squad that has a toughness 3!

[coredump]

You tank on the HT until you take 2 or 3 wounds, then you start LoS to the gargs. It will take a lot of shots to put that much damage on the unit, and by then you *really* should be in CC.