Emergency Disembark

[purpleshaza]

I played a game the other night and I assaulted a Venom which was backed up touching a wall (just a difficult terrain type not a building or ruin) I assaulted with 4 warriors surrounding it on both sides but not on the rear I wrecked the venom and the crew disembarked but we were all a little confused as to how this was supposed to be done. The rules seem as clear as mud to me. also can he leg it over the wall?

[gigasnail]

yes.

[WestRider]

Since it's Open Topped, they don't actually need to Emergency Disembark. That only applies if all the Access Points are blocked off, and it doesn't really do anything anyhow, unless they're Emergency Disembarking in their own Turn due to a Tank Shock fail or something.

In this case, your Opponent places one Model in contact with the Vehicle and more than 1" from any Enemy Models. If there's no viable placement more than 1" from an Enemy Model, the Unit is just wiped. If there is, he rolls Difficult Terrain (because he's Disembarking into Ruins), and then moves that Model, ending its move completely within 3" of the Vehicle. Repeat (except they all use the same DT roll) until all Models have either Disembarked to a position completely within 3" of the Vehicle and more than 1" from an Enemy Model or until there's no more room to place Models in that area. In the latter case, any extras are removed as casualties.

It's obnoxiously spread out, but it is all explained on Pgs. 81-82.

[coredump]

In general this is correct. The default rules make models able to walk 'through' walls.

It is within the rules, however, to modify that. You can declare that certain walls (ruins, fences, barricades, whatever) are 'impassable' and must be gone around or over. But this needs to be decided and clarified before the game starts.

I only mention it because some never think about it, and I really find the variety adds a lot to the game.

[gigasnail]

Yeah, obviously if you have impassable terrain you can't move through it.

[coredump]

Sure, but most impassible terrain I see is large cliff type structures, or something like a water tower...

I like having things like a short stone wall being impassable, you can go over it (costs 1-2" of movement). When we play Kill Team, the ruins are wysiwyg, you can only go through doors and windows... its kind of fun.

[gigasnail]

i think it's kind of fun to tear through walls. elephant goes where elephant wants to go.

[madshauny666]

i was under the same impression as westrider but at warhammer world today we were told that even if a vehicle is completely surrounded(making it impossible for a model to be in base contact with the vehicle without being within 1" of an enemy model) you disembark 3" away and any models that cant within unit coherency are removed as casualties

[gigasnail]

think about that for a minute and you'll find out why that's kind of...not very likely to be possible.

[javaman21011]

Carnifex + all the rippers you have could make it possible!

[coredump]

Guess what.... The folks at warhammer world got the rules wrong..... The book is pretty straightforward on how it works.....

[WestRider]

Yep. The Rules are pretty clear on this. Disembarkation is not placement, it's movement, and if you can't make that movement while staying 1" away from Enemy Models the whole time, you can't do it at all.

[purpleshaza]

OMG I am soooo confused lol
ok so to emergency disembark you place 1 model in base contact with the venom/tank etc. then move 3" from there as long as you don't end your movement within 1" of enemy but you can start within 1" and the wall makes no difference to the fact he cant start the move touching the venom.

You guys make me feel like the guards from monty python's holy grail lol

as a rule I find the 7th ed rulebook quite clear its just this rule has you flicking backwards and forwards between emergency disembarkation and normal disembarkation and wrecked vehicles.

[WestRider]

Three restrictions:
- Each Model must start its Disembarkation move in base contact with the Transport.
- No Model can move within 1" of an Enemy, just like in normal movement.
- Models must end their Movement entirely within 3" of the Transport.

This isn't actually Emergency Disembarkation. This is Disembarking from a Wreck. Emergency Disembarkation can be completely ignored here.

[purpleshaza]

Ahh probably where I was going wrong.
Cheers