1850pt Swarm List

[dc0315]

Hi guys,, its been a while since I last posted on the hive. Im the guy that used to moan about how good crones are, im sure coredump, gigasnail and daboarder remember me

Went up for ETC in serbia this year with this list: 2flyrants with egrubs, 3 units of 2 zoans 2 units of 3 rippers basic, 3 crones, 2 exocrines and a tfex with acid spray. Got myself 3 wins of  20-0 vs CSM with deamons (screamer star), Imperial guard allied with sisters (saint celestine in a unit of conscripts I believe  can be a b**** if left unattended tho) and vs Orks+ necrons, 1 minor loss vs white scars with khoarrokhan, tigurius and centurions minibomb and 2 massacres vs tau with farsight detachment and an eldar and dark eldar mix with those beasts the deldar have with beastmasters, vect, eldrad and spirit seers all in 1 unit, invisible with foreboding etc etc...

Overall did quite well had it not been fr some really bad matchups by my captain lol, took 1 for the team vs the tau guy, the white scars and delda+eldar games though were just really really bad match ups by the capt. Overall the crones really performed well!! Vs the csm+ deamons they took down his troops and popped tanks, v strike took down 2 transports, missiles overkilled maulerfiends then took objectives in the last turn and maelstrom during the game, zoanthropes and tfex kept the screamer star in combat from turn 2, rippers held 2  backfield objectives, flyrants and exos killed the spawns with the csm HQs on bikes. Vs imperial guard guy, crones and flyrants destroyed the 2 executioner tanks of the sisters+ that unit of tanks with the blasts of the imperial guard, forgot their names, and 3 transports, but the crones really shined burning all the imperial troops to bbq level and against orks the same thing, popped the 2 battlewagons and fried the orks, though those fnp saves from the pain boy made this take longer, the men(bugs?) of the match tho were a unit of zoans that kept a necron overlord stuck in combat from turn 2 till the end of the game and gave him 2 wounds

Anyway, you may now be asking why Is this in the armylist page? Well, im now tired of playin MC spam and have currently tried and tested this list a few times, which is a major swarm list just not tgants, played vs another white scar list and annihilated it this time, against farsight bomb and against a centurion bomb with draigo and tigurius plus termie troops and got like 20+ pts thnx to maelstrom and objectives.

Flyrant Tl devs+ egrubs
Flyrant Tl devs+ egrubs

X2 Zoanthropes
X2 Zoanthropes

X3 Ripper Swarms-basic
X3 Ripper Swarms-basic

X30 Hormagaunts-tsacs
X30 Hormagaunts-tsacs

X18 Termagants-basic

X30 Gargoyles-basic
X30 Gargoyles-basic
X30 Gargoyles-basic

1 Flyant on each flank, then meet in the middle most of the time, 3 units of gargs in front, 2 units of hgaunts spread abit more spaced out behind them, termagaunts behind that, with 2 units of zoans 1 mid-left and 1 unit mid-right while placing 2 objectives on each side of my d.zone out of LoS for the rippers to claim and be forgotten about till the end. Plan is to move the gargs and hgaunts as fast up and fire fleshborers and then assault, gargs take the brunt so hgaunts can claim objectives at end of game and help in the assault after overwatch was taken on the gargs. Vs fliers i try to cover table well so either he cant place it and gets destroyed or atleast make him place it were I want it to restrict his firing on my flyrants and maybe even get his rear with them. Termagants stay mid table in case anything tries to take the gargs and hgaunts from the rear and any mid table objectives, zoans fire w.lance/blast which is effective and does pop tanks and kill termies out of cover as since you have 2 its like a TL warp lance /blast with the possibility of getting 2 hits, plus buffing units or making opponent pin n stuff, being annoying basically. 

I think the major problem for this list is lots of armor lists.

What do  you like or add would/remove??

Comments and criticism welcome

[ezer123]

You need some venomthropes or a malanthrope in there. some more synapse can't hurt either.

Seems like a fun list though.

[gigasnail]

Do you guys not play with time limits? Good luck moving all that.

[Kwodd]

Ripper max out is my suggestion.

[dc0315]

In my meta we dont ise FW so malanthrope is out of the picture unfortunately :/ I tried venomthropes but its a waste of 90pts just to save 6pt gargs or 8pt hgaunts, ho2ever I can undertsand the desire for a 3+ cover save for hgaunts, its something ill reponder for sure.

Giga yes thats the main problem after 3 hours wed still be end of turn 3 or turn 4... the main problem is eploying the models I have to be there 30min before or have a helper put the models on the table. Right now im proxying 70 cultists as gargoyles since theyre just friendlies and playtesting. One thing I found effective is to agree with the opponent to make the run moves with the movement phase so you wont have to move all the models twice, the ongest turns are 1 and 2 as by turn 3 u r most likely in assault already, im hoping yhat with time ill be able to speed up my playing style by knowing what I have to do with each unit by heart as im still used to usinzg only 24 models in an MC spam.

Kwodd unfortunately maxing out the rippers takes too much pts out the other units and they arent half as fast...then when you compare our swarms with necron swarms ours turn out to be JUST gd objective takers and nothing else.

[gigasnail]

You will have a bad time the first time you face IG wyverns or a nid list with LAN. Or any high volume fires army really.

[dc0315]

Yep those are the ones I was talking about, the tank formation of IG, the wyverns...ye man I totally agree those would be killer and biovores too and thunderfire cannons... but then a heavy MC list is gna find it harsh vs deldar with loads of poisoned shots, grav guns, centurion bomb and any massed fire and ignore cover. Its so frustrating we cant seem to have an all comers list when it comes to top tier armies!! For example against most tau  lists, with broadsides and riptides this list would eat them up (already happened) then go vs eldar with say 5 wave serpants and 2 wraighknights and wed only kill the wraithknights and the rest would spend turn after turn killing the swarm, however an MC list would do great vs eldar and not so much the tau. Then when you try mixing large units of gants/gaunts/gargs with quite a few MCs you dont get quite the same effect...

[Jabberwocky]

How difficult have you found it to keep the zoeys alive? I'd be worried that once the flyrants push forward to take out the long range guns, the zoeys are the only thing keeping the army from falling apart. Couldn't you fit in a brood of warriors or 2 just as a backup?

[gigasnail]

MC lists do fine against high volume fires because they have a 2+ cover save that only one or two units is going to be able to ignore. Perfect timing on cent star, you can't do much about. It's only a single unit though.

Wyverns, TFC, et al ignore cover and remove griblies by the handful. It's a hard counter for an entire play style, and they're commonly taken units.

Big difference here.

[dc0315]

I always cast dominion as insurance for the units in the middle as id have a flyrant on either flank, so if both units of zoans die (which takes abit of shooting or REALLY bad dice to kill 4 zoans in 1 turn) everything will be in synapse range, theres always atleast 1 piece of LOS blocking terrain somewhere mid table were id put 1 unit to have 1 side quite well insured on synapse, thing is the gargs and hormagaunts tend to keep up with the flyrants and I also dont usually move them straight up 24" but more just within range for their guns to hurt the stuff I wanna hurt unless I have to go fr thunderfire cannons or wyverns and the like, the zoans run too so everything sticks together as 1. The tgants stay mid table in the middle betweenthe 2 u Iits of zoans fr mid table objectives and as back up for zoans or anything taking the rear of the hgaunts or gargoyles whike the 2 ripper swarms I abandon 1 on each corner of my dep zone holding an objective from turn 1, feed really isnt that bad on them and they havent ever died except 1 unit vs st.celestine at the ETC, whooo she almost turned the game around, but failed as soon as I realised and took both flyrants to dakka her to death, twice

Yes but every1 at top tier knows, as soon as they see venomthropes, theyre the 1st thing to die, so yes turn 1 u kept the MCs safe because he shot almost everything on them but the rest of the game?? Zoans add so much to your game...buff, debuffs for the opponent, onslaught, most reliable synapse creatures beside tyrants and 1 or 2 depending on how u roll on 2 3+s warp blast is better than 1 barbed strangler from a unit of tyranid warriors, that are easier to kill and give less to the army. Thats my opinion on warriors atleast

[Jabberwocky]

I don't think I could give up Malanthropes now I'm running them. So much better than venoms. Zoeys never seem to do much for me, at least not directly. They probably do help in ensuring we can get off the needed powers though with those extra dice.