Weird advice help...

[blucord]

Hello all,
We have a 3rd nid player in our meta and he has Showed me his list for the Oct tourny, he wants help on how to play with nids(new to 40k) he is insistent on running an overly expensive flyrant...and only one, although I said he could borrow one of mine.. Because I'm only running two for the tournament. And all of his monstrous creatures have regen...what do I need to tell him to help change his mind!? Help me please!!! Here is his list...
Hq
Flyrant
2x hvc
Hive Cmdr. and old adversary the norn crown and regen

Prime
Dev, lw/bs, flesh hooks
Toxin sacs and reg

Elites
3x hive guard
1 w/ shock cannon
3x zoans

Troops
30x gants
Tervigon
Miasia cannon and regen
3x warriors
Devs/ venom cannon, flesh hooks
TS and AG
3x warriors
Devs/ venom cannon, flesh hooks
TS and AG

Fast attack
20x gargs w/ TS

Heavy support
Mawloc w/ regen
Mawloc w/ regen

It could be me, but I think this will crash and burn in our meta...like horribly... He is slightly younger than most of us, and he still relatively new to the hobby... I just don't want him to rage quit tyranids or worse 40k, and as you all know nids is it the easiest faction to start with, and we have a slightly competitive group... Especially the women that play :-p... Have any of you dealt with an issue like this before, thanks for your help in advance!

[akiranid]

Best thing I could recommend is get him to play a few practise games with the list so he can see how it plays out with a variety of opponents to see how it stacks up

[doomminion]

Let him play his list.
After he has had some actual game time he might start to understand what you were talking about.

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[Osedaxx]

I agree with Doom in the sense that you should let him play the list once. Once he sees the flaws in his lists that will help. But when you talk to him after really bring up the highlights of the good things in his list rather than the bad. Stuff like,

"You see how hard it was for your opponent to shoot your Tyrant down while flying?? Imagine if there was two.. or THREE of them!?!?"

or

"If you took off regen off all your guys, you could get another Mawloc for the price cost!!"

If he is a bit younger it defiantly is hard to change his mind if he is insistent on running that heavy of a list. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think a flyrant can take 2 HVCs....

Good luck!

[gigasnail]

Cannot take two HVC, correct.

[macdaddyt]

Play him with an army that will expose his weakness (guard with Lascannons and PG vets, Centurions with Grav cannons, Dare I say it, wave serpents, Mech lists will Own him as well.) but don't play an extremely hard army, just one that let's him see how making a bunch of high prices MC's is not very tactically sound. And also let him see how quickly an MC can die to try and encourage him to take more. Don't crush him. Make the game close and go easy on him. But definitely show him his weaknesses through playing the game.

Also make a competitive Nid list and have him watch a game you play to see the true strengths of our army.

You can't take two HVC on one model and tbh it's a horrible waste of points. Same point cost you get two TL devos and Electro grubs

[gigasnail]

There's no need for any of that, play him with a normal list and just kill him. Should get the point across he's putting too much into individual units.

[blucord]

He is fairly young, and he watched me dominate my last game, 2000 point skyblight list, I think he is looking to hard into the book on how cool they can be, he's not so much worried about consistency which is obviously an issue with Nids I have my tau army that need to be taken down from the shelves, however I think it might be better if I play him with my 2000 point list of tyranids That got me first place in my last tournament... That might show him the true nature of the beast so to say... And I try to explain to him the awesomeness of twin linked devs and e-Grubbs. How they are always an auto bring... I guess I'll just have to show him...

[blucord]

And good eye on the heavy venom Canon, i Didn't even notice that I will have to let him know

[Freeman]

I would stop him taking the two venom cannons as that is straight up illegal.

After that it depends on if he's glued things yet. Encourage him to magnetise his flyrant if he's not willing to go twin linked devourer.

When I was a youth I was reluctant to change my list just because of cost.

After that the miasma cannon on the tervigon isn't the worst thing ever and regen isn't an upgrade that is gonna cost him financially when he inevitably drops it.


Also be careful that he's not just putting in the upgrades because he can't buy the models he wants. We've all been there.

Secretly I quite like regen.

[blucord]

He glued lw/ bs and the hvc on his tyrant so I might have to magnituze his wings for him, we all know that they can be complicated. He dosnt have a lot of models but I have over 5k worth of base models, and I told him he is more that welcome to use them to get a feel for the unit he might want to buy. He said he would meet me at the shop today to test play his list...he's pretty excited about it, going to be his largest game...he added the second hvc because he has the battle scribe app, and it allows you to add a hvc in both slots, he did say he would replace it. How I miss the days of pen and paper lists. :-p

[Yautja]

Nothing inherently wrong with Regeneration on some W6 models. That's the least of his issues.

I have to ask though, when did x2 VC become banned? I think I played that sometimes in 2nd edition, maybe 3rd too.

[gigasnail]

Since last codex at least. Pretty sure you couldn't double up on the same one before that, but could take a STC and a HVC on the same fex at least (that good ol' sniper fex I missed out on).

[Freeman]

You could double up in the book previous but no one did because they became one twin linked.

[Yautja]

OK cheers for the info