IA4 Second Edition Questions

[Megad00mer]

Hey guys.

I have a Malanthrope and I know they got a rules update in IA4: Second Edition. Can anyone give me a summation or cliff notes version of the updated rules?

I also have a Scythed Heirodule. Did they receive any updates or are they still using the rules in IA Apoc: Second Edition?

Thanks a lot.

[brassangel]

The Malanthrope is like a super Venomthrope with Synapse and Fleet, and sits in the Elites slot now instead of HQ.

[Jabberwocky]

If you just Google 'malanthrope rules scan' and hit the images tab, some of the first couple are scans of the thrope and dule rules.

[mattblowers]

[rant] I would like to go on record as saying these rules are EXACTLY the reason people don't like ForgeWorld in "regular" (I know that term is a joke anymore) 40K games. Both the Malanthrope and Dimachaeron are better than anything comparable in our codex. Our codex is subprime, this we can all agree. However, this does not fix our codex, it just, if allowed in regular games, gives a few more auto include choices. Bleh. [/rant]

OTOH: Ooh, new shiny. Since the Trygon prime is now (please do not swear) I'm thinking of way to using it and the bits from the Haruspex to make my own model. My Malanthrope is supposed to get here next week. Yes, I may be a hypocrite, but my point still stands.

[javaman21011]

Hmm so I found a scan and am curious.. can you declare a challenge on a unit that doesn't have a character? Like what if you wanted to challenge a group of guardsmen that didn't have a sergeant or something?

[Jabberwocky]

Nope. Unless they have a similar rule whereby non-characters can accept challenges.

[coredump]

Aug 28, 2014 21:07:51 GMT mattblowers said:

[rant] I would like to go on record as saying these rules are EXACTLY the reason people don't like ForgeWorld in "regular" (I know that term is a joke anymore) 40K games. Both the Malanthrope and Dimachaeron are better than anything comparable in our codex. Our codex is subprime, this we can all agree. However, this does not fix our codex, it just, if allowed in regular games, gives a few more auto include choices. Bleh. [/rant]

Sort of.... If all FW did was help a mediocre codex out by providing a couple of useful models, then there wouldn't be a problem. The issue is when they provide strong codices broken units......


The current malanthrope is only 'really good' when compared to the rest of our dex... compared to something like the last edition Rune Priest, its... meh.... (Maybe this edition too.... haven't checked)

And the Dima is definitely better than the trygon.... but the trygon sucks. And the Dima still dies just as easily...

[daboarder]

yeah, the dima is only descent (not broken by far) when you look at anything outside our book (just compare it to a wraithknight/riiptide/knight and see what core means

[Megad00mer]

Aug 28, 2014 20:34:45 GMT Jabberwocky said:

If you just Google 'malanthrope rules scan' and hit the images tab, some of the first couple are scans of the thrope and dule rules.

You are my hero. Thanks so much.

[Mauler]

To be fair on the Dima, once it's been in combat (...crux...) and nommed some plasm he's far more resilient than any other walking MC we have.

[mattblowers]

My point wasn't whether they were OP or not, just commenting on the fact that they are better than comparable choices from our codex and better priced. Once we open that can of worms, we still lose because, as core pointed out, other armies FW choices are even better than ours.

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Aug 29, 2014 10:18:00 GMT mattblowers said:

My point wasn't whether they were OP or not, just commenting on the fact that they are better than comparable choices from our codex and better priced. Once we open that can of worms, we still lose because, as core pointed out, other armies FW choices are even better than ours.

Problem is a good chunk of people already feel that can of worms is open based off the 40k approved stamps. 

Granted different tourney's will still have differing views.

And before I plop down a gargantuan creature I'd ask if a LoW is cool in a friendly game(want to make sure we're building lists that will actually make a good battle afterall). 


And yes the eldar and crons have two insane choices that push the limits of the game on rules- but the way I count it I figure most FW stuff isn't nearly as imbalanced.


I just don't think it's accurate to say "we lose" since a lot of our FW creatures improve our ability to compete significantly imo(<3 biocannons ). I don't like the codex redundancy either, like there is literally like 1 in 10 situations I'd pick the venomthrope over the malanthrope, but it does in a sense provide some versatility in how you run support. 

[mattblowers]

Aug 29, 2014 14:49:15 GMT @nidsinrva said:

I just don't think it's accurate to say "we lose" since a lot of our FW creatures improve our ability to compete significantly imo(<3 biocannons ). I don't like the codex redundancy either, like there is literally like 1 in 10 situations I'd pick the venomthrope over the malanthrope, but it does in a sense provide some versatility in how you run support.

I think we agree more than disagree. Your right, FW does make us better. I'd rather have genestealers that can run and assault or assault from reserves than need to go to FW models. The venomthrope has been widely praised until the new rules dropped for the malanthrope and now, as you say, it's worse in 9/10 situations. The dima thingy is better than the Trygons (not that this is hard to accomplish). I think full FW inclusion rapidly accelerates the 'arms race' in 40K. This combined with rapid codex releases and deluges of new models makes it hard to keep up with. I regularly face things I don't really know anymore and the number of incidents where I get punked by someone who doesn't know the rules of their own army (I find frequent major rule misinterpretations by players that I know aren't doing it on purpose b/c I play know them pretty well) are increasing. With a slower release schedule I could keep ahead of it. Now I go in blind and have to research it after the fact. I don't think this trend is good for the game.