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Post by ptderfel on Aug 20, 2014 19:35:24 GMT
I have an upcoming tournament in Portugal.
1500pts, all CAD Slots must have at least one unit, LOW are allowed and i suspect some Imperial Knights will appear.
The list should maximize the hierodule potential with the swarmy buffs. Opinions?
+++ corvos 2 (1499pts) +++
+++ 1500pt Tyranids: Codex (2014) v12 Roster (Combined Arms Detachment)) +++
Selections:
Tyranids: Codex (2014) v12 (Combined Arms Detachment) Selections:
+ HQ + (515pts)
* Hive Tyrant (230pts)
(Shadow in the Warp, Synapse Creature)
Powers of the Hive Mind, Psyker (Mastery Level 2) (Psyker), Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms (), Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms (), Wings ()
* The Swarmlord (285pts)
(Alien Cunning, Shadow in the Warp, Swarm Leader, Synapse Creature, Warlord Trait: Synaptic Lynchpin)
2x Bone Sabres (Blade Parry), Powers of the Hive Mind, Psyker (Mastery Level 3) (Psyker)
+ Elites + (85pts)
* Malanthrope Brood (85pts)
Malanthrope (85pts) (Fleet, Move Through Cover, Poisoned (2+), Prey Adaption, Shadow in the Warp, Shrouded, Synapse Creature, Very Bulky)
+ Troops + (129pts)
* Ripper Swarm Brood (39pts)
3x Ripper Swarm (39pts) (Fearless, Instinctive Behaviour - Feed, Swarms)
* Ripper Swarm Brood (45pts)
* 3x Ripper Swarm (45pts)
(Fearless, Instinctive Behaviour - Feed, Swarms)
3x Deep Strike (*)
* Ripper Swarm Brood (45pts)
* 3x Ripper Swarm (45pts)
(Fearless, Instinctive Behaviour - Feed, Swarms)
3x Deep Strike (*)
+ Fast Attack + (15pts)
* Spore Mine Cluster (15pts)
3x Spore Mine (Deep Strike, Floating Death, Living Bomb)
+ Heavy Support + (190pts)
* Tyrannofex (190pts)
(Fearless, Instinctive Behaviour - Hunt)
Acid Spray, Adrenal Glands , Stinger Salvo
+ Lords of War + (565pts)
* Barbed Hierodule (565pts)
(Agile)
2x Bio-cannon, Scything Talons
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Post by Jabberwocky on Aug 20, 2014 20:40:22 GMT
I like it but I'd rather have useful things in every slot rather than the wasted spore mines. Is the Swarmlord there for much more than PE on the heirodule? Are you expecting many combat threats that stomp won't handle?
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Post by ptderfel on Aug 20, 2014 20:55:31 GMT
He is there for the buffs and psychic powers, also because its a 5W warlord that with 18' synapse.
When i look at my list he appears to be low on the enemy priority which is just fine.
So he should be a counter atack unit thats ia there to buff the army and control the troops
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Post by mit45 on Aug 20, 2014 21:04:55 GMT
I agree with the spore mines, unless you're using them to zone him out, or hopefully he shoots them and adds target priority issues. Though it looks like he really only has 3 things to shoot at. If he can take out a tyrant a turn he has the rest of the game to go at the hierdule. And after that you really don't have anything threatening. Maybe find some room for something more Killy?
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Post by Jabberwocky on Aug 20, 2014 21:11:22 GMT
The only buff you can put on heirodule is onslaught, since he has FnP anyway. With his 12" move and 48" range I really don't think it's necessary. You basically just want him moving toward the centre of the board, in terrain, with shrouded.
Don't get me wrong I like ol swarmy and I uses to run him all the time. In this list though it seems a lot of points to add PE, when those points could be almost 2 FMCs or just plenty more troops.
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Post by ptderfel on Aug 20, 2014 21:24:43 GMT
I can swap the tyrannofex for 1 biovore and 1 hive crone?
What do you suggest?
The spores are there to fill the slot but they can hold a backfied objective. I need to have at least one unit in every slot, so the spores are a cheap bargain....
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Post by ptderfel on Aug 20, 2014 21:28:01 GMT
The only buff you can put on heirodule is onslaught, since he has FnP anyway. With his 12" move and 48" range I really don't think it's necessary. You basically just want him moving toward the centre of the board, in terrain, with shrouded. Don't get me wrong I like ol swarmy and I uses to run him all the time. In this list though it seems a lot of points to add PE, when those points could be almost 2 FMCs or just plenty more troops. Yes but if i take this LOW i should make those 12 str10 shots worth their while. Also swarmy can defend my support units from pods and deep strike units that will try to kill them and my troops. The alternative to swarmy would be 1 flyrant and 1 biovore, and maybe trade the Tfex for 1 carnifex and another biovore. Is this better? Enviado do meu iPad usando o Tapatalk |
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Post by Jabberwocky on Aug 20, 2014 21:34:52 GMT
PE on the heirodule from Swarmlord gives him on average 1 extra hit per turn. It's useful but it's not game breaking, especially for 285 points. If you can make his other benefits worth the rest of those points, then keep him in.
If you dropped him and the spores, you could afford a massive gargoyle brood to stop any assault units getting past your midfield. None of your backfield units particularly need synapse especially as the Tfex should be pushing forward of the Malanthrope anyway. Maybe leave some warriors backfield if you are worried about camping an objective. You'll have loads of points left.
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Post by mit45 on Aug 20, 2014 23:55:37 GMT
Both the crone and the tyrannofex are solid options, but a lone biovore is significantly less useful than a full brood. I'd stick with the tyrannofex. I hadn't thought about spore mines as scoring backfield out of LOS objectives. If you have a purpose for them then great, I think what you have is better than the alternative you suggested.
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Post by yowster12 on Aug 21, 2014 7:10:30 GMT
Spore Mines can't score. Its in the codex is it not?
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Post by ptderfel on Aug 21, 2014 8:28:32 GMT
You are right they cant but most players leave non OS In their Backfield to score objs late game, and The spores might go and contest or try to blow them up, but its situational
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Post by ptderfel on Aug 21, 2014 9:33:45 GMT
With this alternative i Drop the swarmlord for second flyrant and a unit of warriors + BS
+++ corvos 2 (1499pts) +++
+++ 1500pt Tyranids: Codex (2014) v12 Roster (Combined Arms Detachment)) +++
Selections:
Tyranids: Codex (2014) v12 (Combined Arms Detachment) Selections:
+ HQ + (460pts)
* Hive Tyrant (230pts)
(Shadow in the Warp, Synapse Creature)
Powers of the Hive Mind, Psyker (Mastery Level 2) (Psyker), Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms (), Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms (), Wings ()
* Hive Tyrant (230pts)
(Shadow in the Warp, Synapse Creature)
Powers of the Hive Mind, Psyker (Mastery Level 2) (Psyker), Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms (), Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms (), Wings ()
+ Elites + (85pts)
* Malanthrope Brood (85pts)
Malanthrope (85pts) (Fleet, Move Through Cover, Poisoned (2+), Prey Adaption, Shadow in the Warp, Shrouded, Synapse Creature, Very Bulky)
+ Troops + (184pts)
* Ripper Swarm Brood (45pts)
* 3x Ripper Swarm (45pts)
(Fearless, Instinctive Behaviour - Feed, Swarms)
3x Deep Strike () (*)
* Ripper Swarm Brood (39pts)
3x Ripper Swarm (39pts) (Fearless, Instinctive Behaviour - Feed, Swarms)
* Tyranid Warrior Brood (100pts) (Codex: Tyranids p41)
Barbed Strangler ()
* Tyranid Warrior ()
(Shadow in the Warp, Synapse Creature, Very Bulky)
Devourer, Scything Talons
* Tyranid Warrior ()
(Shadow in the Warp, Synapse Creature, Very Bulky)
Devourer, Scything Talons
* Tyranid Warrior ()
(Shadow in the Warp, Synapse Creature, Very Bulky)
Devourer, Scything Talons
+ Fast Attack + (15pts)
* Spore Mine Cluster (15pts) (Codex: Tyranids p93)
3x Spore Mine () (Deep Strike, Floating Death, Living Bomb)
+ Heavy Support + (190pts)
* Tyrannofex (190pts)
(Fearless, Instinctive Behaviour - Hunt)
Acid Spray, Adrenal Glands (), Stinger Salvo
+ Lords of War + (565pts)
* Barbed Hierodule (565pts)
(Agile)
2x Bio-cannon, Scything Talons
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Post by Jabberwocky on Aug 22, 2014 8:09:17 GMT
Seems reasonable. What do the rippers do now you have warriors to hold objectives?
The tunnel rippers and spore mines could be traded in for 10 gargoyles, which would give you a nice option of deepstriking or screening the heirodule/flyrants turn 1.
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Post by ptderfel on Aug 23, 2014 10:14:25 GMT
The tournament rules say i must have at least 1unit In every slot so the spores are a necessary Tax. If i Take the warriors i Can use the rippers to score objectives far Away from my main force, or contest enemy objectives or just use them as bait to Draw enemy units out of position
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Post by Jabberwocky on Aug 23, 2014 15:36:11 GMT
You can replace the spores with gargoyles, if you drop one of the ripper broods. I think it would give you stronger options.
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