1550 Ravener/Warrior Based

[nairolf]

I love Raveners and warriors, so here goes!

HQ
2X Flyrants with 2xTLDevs +EGrubs
1 Has Hive Commander

Troops
Termagants x30
Hormagaunts x26
Warriors x5 + Barbed Strangler
Warriors x5 with Deathspitters and Barbed Strangler (This group for Outflank)

Elites
Lictor (Infiltrate for Ravener DeepStrike)
Venomthrope x2

Fast Attack
Raveners x9 with Rending Claws 


Infiltrate Lictor in heavy cover/out of sight

Turn 2 Deepstrike Raveners and Outflank Warriors
This with 2 Flyrants around should provide some target priority questions.

Warriors could be easily overlooked
Raveners could be deepstriked in the cover/out of line of sight and using big movement to get a charge
Tyrants basically pinning it together
Swarm section just for land control

Thoughts?

[Yautja]

Instead of 2 broods of 5 Warriors I'd spread them into 3 broods. More flexible Synapse cover then.

[nairolf]

Yeah, i just wanted to have a large outflank threat.

Maybe 3 3 and outflank 4?

[nairolf]

Also as a new player i would like to check,

can raveners with rending claws glance to death av13?

[jaysic]

They *can* glance AV13 to death, but only if all the stars align. I wouldn't count on it.

I would either drop the 4 deathspitters and 2 hormagaunts, or just 6 gaunts, and use the points to buy a 10th ravaner and make 2 squads of 5.

9 ravaners will overkill a target or attract a lot of S8+ fire. Make them choose one target or the other if they're going to choose to shoot them over your other threats.

I'd also (personally) split the remaining horms into 2 squads, run them in front of your ravaners to grant them a cover save, and use your venoms to boost their cover to 3+ while the horms have a 5+ themselves. This will allow you to get a 2nd turn assault, whereas the deep strike will be turn 3 at best. Also, DS into terrain is a mishap and the whole unit may die.

If you really want to DS them, do it behind terrain, then run into it after your movement phase.

Also, if running them up, I'd move a warrior from your smaller squad into the larger outflanking one to beef up its firepower when it comes in, and use the smaller one for synapse for your horm/ravaner/venom balls as they advance. If they kill the warriors you can always bring a flyrant back to see them into combat, and tarp it nasties with your termagaunts


Hope this helps!

[Squire]

Had you thought of using the endless swarm formation? You're only four hormagaunts off having the models in your list to field the formation AND have two units of warriors for your troop requirements.

[jaysic]

Oh, and I'm not sure if you're using Ravaners b/c you really like the model (I love the model myself), or for other reasons....but you should take a look at shrikes instead of them if it's not a unit you're passionate about. For 35 points the only difference is you lose 1 initiative, gain HoW (if you use the wings to assault) along with reroll assault range, gain synapse, lose the "ignore cover" movement and have to take dangerous terrain tests. Of course, you could always just fly over the cover as well. You also have options for Toxic sacs, Adrenal Glands, and Flesh hooks, which Ravaners don't have.

[nairolf]

Game played and the outcome

The Relic was the mission and the opponent was Orks

Deployed 5 man warrior squad in a ruin both venomthropes on each end covering Termagants on the right and Hormagaunts on the left
5 warrior squad outflanking with HiveCommander and 9Raveners Deepstriking. Lictor infiltrated completely out of sight.
Flyrants deployed in cover near venomthropes too.

Got first turn which pretty much guaranteed it


Raveners were really strong in the game and the extra initiative I think is a big bonus.
Hive commander is 20pt but the amount of manouvering it offers is just huge.
Gribblies should be totally unupgraded.
Didn't really need the venomthropes as he was mainly shooting at the flyrants but I see their use in other matchups.

One thing though. With busy Flyrants it is a bit tricky with the 90 degree movement to get them being as efficient as possible




Turn1
Flyrants flew up and removed squad of burna boyz (biggest threat by far) and got Warboss down to 1 wound
Barbed Strangler removed 5 shootaz
HGaunts moved to the relic and with run move reached it
Tgaunts moved up and everything still covered with synapse from backfield warriors which were lowest target priority for the Orks
Basic strategy was to cram what I have on the board into the centre and get bodies in front of the relic
First blood achieved

Turn 2
Rolled for Outflanking and got the 5 Warriors in outflanking, some orks on bikes were their target.
Rolled for Raveners and they came in thanks to the Lictor. I deep striked them with as much out of line of sight/cover as possible. Dropping 27 wounds with 27 rending attacks at initiative 5 with a huge movement and charge range is suddenly a huge threat.
Tyrants shot and killed some of the Warboss' retinue and the other some more shootaz.
Hormagaunts push forward and central as do the termagaunts.
So far I have ignored a squad of Lootaz (that do damage!) and a big mob of sluggaz

Turn 3
Raveners tear through his Warboss, sweeping advance killing everything.
Bikes get shot by the warriors.
His Boss Snikrot turns out right behind me but i remove many Boyz with the backfield warriors.
Sluggaz ram into termagants and start decimating them but it doesn't matter. Hormagaunts start taking the relic into and use the huge assault as a wall to prevent him from ever getting it.

Beyond Turn 3 it didnt matter.

Final Score

Tyranids LineBreaker,Warlord,FirstBlood,TheRelic
6

Orks
0 (Managed to wipe out his backfield attackers with 5 warriors)

[glassiya]

raveners need terror.
warriors need prime.

[nairolf]

Aug 21, 2014 11:53:59 GMT glassiya said:

raveners need terror.
warriors need prime.

Against MEQ

3 Deathspitter Warriors (BS3) should kill 1 Marine
With the Prime
2.3 Deathspitter Warriors (BS4) should kill 1 Marine

The Prime costs 4 warriors (more or less)

Warriors dont need Prime


The Red Terror is too situational, he will most likely get his swallow whole attack but I would argue since Raveners are so fragile that more bodies to get shot at is more valuable because it means more rending attacks get into CloseCombat

[Yautja]

Warrior broods don't *need* a Prime at all. Also, Red Terror is not a MC anymore and only has two sets of talons = rubbish AP. No Rending. 85p of turd.

[gigasnail]

Just take the 2 additional ravs the red terror costs, and be better off for it.