Tournament List Rejected. (please help)

[sloth]

Hi hive, I've been playing this 1000pt list for a tournament next weekend. I have had awesome success with it and I submitted it today to be rejected for having too many mc's this is the list

HQ
Flyrant x2 T/L Devs
Tervigon crushing claws

ELITES
Zoanthrope
Venomthrope

TROOPS
X10 hormagaunts toxin sacs
X10 Termagaunts x10 devs

FAST ATTACK
Hive Crone

HEAVY SUPPORT
Mawloc toxin sacs

So I need help to make a list that I can use that will perform as best as possible and be versatile in regards to different armies and between crusade, emperors will and purge the alien.

I came up with this and the store manager said he would accept it but I want to get some 2nd opinions

HQ
Flyrant x2 T/L Devs

ELITES
Zoanthrope
Venomthrope
Zoanthrope

TROOPS
X10 hormagaunts toxin sacs
X30 Termagaunts x10 devs x10 fleshborer x10 spinfist
Tervigon crushing claws Shreddershard beetles

HEAVY SUPPORT
Mawloc toxin sacs acid blood

What do you think?
Please feel freeto add/remove.
I have 
Genestealers, broodlords
Carnifexes
Hormies
Termies
Swarmlord
Hive guard
Tyrant guard
Warriors
Rippers
Gargoyles 
And everything in the lists above.

[l0rdf1end]

4 MC's is too many? LOL?
What's the exact restrictions?

[Moontyranid]

I woud say exocrine because i miss Some RAW killingpower

[GuardDog78]

Wow...sounds like tyranid bias. God forbid you show up with a viable army that may actually threaten the other armies. Hope they have a limit on vehicles, 2+ saves and invulns as well. What as bunch of (please do not swear).

[gigasnail]

There is no problem with your list from a force org/legality standpoint.

[sloth]

Apr 29, 2014 14:59:05 GMT l0rdf1end said:

4 MC's is too many? LOL?
What's the exact restrictions?

There isnt a restriction list as such, the manager checks out the list and decides for his self.
I know the tau player got rejected down to 1 riptide and 1 vehicle (i dont know what the vehicle is called) but i thought 4 mcs would be fine

@ Moontyranid
I want to get a Exocrine but i wouldnt be able to get one, put it together and paint it in time (loose points for unpainted models in your army)

@ Gigasnail
Do you mean the 2nd list? i played it last night and it was ok. troops were low which makes me concentrate on taking out opponents scoring units. other than that it was fun and playing whack a mawloc is pretty annoying for the opponent.

[emoge]

Hard to help without concrete rules or restrictions. Ask him what the exact specifications. That said... Tyranids can build lists that are almost all MCs if we want. Not every MC is super strong. If every one of our MCs was as strong as a Wraithknight I could see there being an issue but your first list wasn't a WAAC list anyways by the looks of it.

[gigasnail]

I was talking about your first (rejected) list. There's nothing wrong with it. If your TO wants to impose additional restrictions for w/e event he's doing, that's on him to decide and on you to decide if you want to go to support the event.

In any case he needs to actually put the rules up in the open so everyone can see ahead of time, not just a "well I don't like this list, redo it."

[sloth]

*IMPORTANT* - A note about Writing and submitting your list
A tournament is a competitive environment, however BOTH players having FUN is far more important than winning in the grand scheme of this particular tournament.
If your army is deemed to be ’overpowered’ by Manager when you submit it, you may be asked to resubmit your list. A good rule of thumb is when writing your list, think about how you would feel if you were facing it. If you have any questions about what is and isn’t overpowered for your particular force, please talk to Manager before submitting your list to avoid disappointment.

Restrictions and Allowances:
NO ESCALATION/Super Heavies of any type.
NO Imperial Armour or Forgeworld
Stronghold Assault is allowed, but no Aquila Strongpoint variations.
Supplement Codex’s are allowed (either as Allies or as a Primary Detachment).
Note - You must show your army list to your opponent prior to the start of the game. There will be no "secret" lists at this tournament. Please ask your opponent any questions about their army list prior to the start of the game. Any player found to be playing a list other than the one they have printed will have points deducted from their score.

there are more things for painting and what ever but this is everything to do with units and what not. so i guess i have to just make do with what i got and have "FUN"

[gigasnail]

how do i feel about facing a tough list at a tournament? well gee boss, it's a tournament. i hope you brought your A-game and your shinies because i sure brought mine. i mean, that's what a tournament is. i ran a tournament for the new guys a month ago. we had a daemon flying circus, a jetseer list, a bug player with about a bizillion gribblies, a farsight bomb, etc. everybody had a blast.

and oh, wait, hold on, he's letting allies in too. but 4 TMC is too much. so much wut.

tell your store owner i said he's in dire need of some big boy britches. that 'rules list' (if you can even call it that) is seriously derp.

[sloth]

Oh well, there isnt much i can do but support it and hope to influence the rules in the next event. i knew i wasnt going to get top place but now i feel like i will be lucky to draw a game at most.

ill just concentrate on killing opponents scoring units then cover up and hold out till end game. Hope that i dont roll Purge the alien lol

[gigasnail]

personally i'd not go to the event. if the owner wants to run a cake fest, that's his business and his event, and more power to him. but i'd certainly take my time and money elsewhere. a rule where the owner simply doesn't like your list and you have to redo it? no criteria, he just doesn't like it? i'd pass on the event. it's not like you were trying to run skyblight in his noobfest or something. your list wasn't even close to beardy. that's a decent starting nid list.

i do wish you the best of luck if you decide to go.

[Anggul]

He also still seems to be from the dead age where people seemed to think that Forgeworld units are all overpowered, as if GW don't make just as many screw-ups with balance.

[emoge]

Sometimes you don't have a choice in meta or what stores are in your area. You also don't want to be the guy whining about your TO because then you'll be lucky if he accepts any of your lists.

Talking to him sensibly would be better.

Back on topic, you can't post lists here hoping for some advice when your TO just rejects them randomly.

[FTGTEvan]

Back to the second list, I think you have a few too many upgrades. Maybe something like this:

Flyrant: Double Dev
2 Zoan
Venom
2 Hive Guard
Tervigon: vanilla
Termagants: 15 devourers
Mawloc

Could also drop the devourers for 15 more termagants, or go down to 10 like in your original list and have 20 points for a couple upgrades.