2+ cover saves from Venomthropes?

[iyama]

So my two friends (who know the BRB better than me) swear that the venomthropes (VT) shrouded rule stacks because it state that a VT gives all codex tyranids within 6" the shrouded rule i.e. +2 to their cover save so in the open it becomes 5+, so one VT gives a squad 5+ and a second increases via the shrouded rule by +2 to become a 3+ save and 3 VT's another 2+ to become the max possible of a 2+ cover save. Is this correct or are they getting my hopes up only to have them wrecked before my eyes? And if this is possible how long would we give it before GW nerfs this in an FAQ?

[gigasnail]

it might, if the venomthrope had a rule that said 'improve the cover save of every friendly model within 6" by +2." that's not what it says. it just gives the shrouded rule.

[alphamikefox]

pretty sure once you get the shrouded special rule the first time you can't get it again, same for pretty much every special rule. even if you could, the venomthrope rule is worded "within 6" of at least one venomthrope"

shrouded does stack with stealth though, like for lictors

[gigasnail]

right, just not with itself which is what the OP's friend is missing.

[iyama]

from SRB
"A unit that contains at least one model with this special rule counts its cover saves as being 2 points better than normal. Note that this means a model witht the shrouded special rule always has a cover save of at least 5+, even if it's in the open.
Cover save bonuses from the shrouded and stealth special rules are cumulative (to a maximum of a 2+ cover save).

from the rule book

I would argue that it would be worded a little like this

"The shrouded special rule is cumulative with the steath special rule" if it only meant those 2 stacked together this states that both the shrouded and stealth are cumulative with until faq'd tells me that it can stack with itself

[gigasnail]

ehhhh no.

[iyama]

hmm I shall speack with my friend who is a member of GW staff later today and see what he thinks to this, if it is a no go then VT's just dropped back down to being not as viable to me personally

[gigasnail]

don't look at them as a mainstay, and don't expect them to do anything but give you a good cover save on turn 1. if they live longer, great. just don't expect it, outside of putting them in a bastion or w/e.

[derf]

This has been a hotly debated topic since the 6th edtion book came out.
The rule is worded badly and GW won't FAQ it.

Every game i have played and every tournamet i have been to have ruled that shroud and stealth does not stack with them self only with each other.

If you and your friends want to play with shroud stacking, go for it.
Just do not expect other people and tournaments to do so.

[Threeshades]

Also don't go with Store Staff as your rules authority. They are also mostly guys hired to sell you toys.

Look once you have shroud, you have shroud. So you have a guy in range of one venomthrope. He has shroud. If he moves into range of another venomthrope, he will get shroud. But he already has that rule, so there is no effect.

A trygon with adrenal glands also doesn't get to reroll run and charge dice twice because he suddenly has to instances of fleet.

[herecomestomorrow]

Fairly sure the BRB says you can't be effected by the same special rule more than once. Don't have it on me to check.

[chuckles]

Jan 18, 2014 13:25:03 GMT herecomestomorrow said:

Fairly sure the BRB says you can't be effected by the same special rule more than once. Don't have it on me to check.

It tries to say that but is not really written well enough to be entirely clear on what it means.

[olivier]

Jan 18, 2014 13:27:16 GMT chuckles said:

Jan 18, 2014 13:25:03 GMT herecomestomorrow said:

Fairly sure the BRB says you can't be effected by the same special rule more than once. Don't have it on me to check.

It tries to say that but is not really written well enough to be entirely clear on what it means.

Chuckles, what's the page that you pull this commentary from?

[coredump]

Jan 18, 2014 10:15:11 GMT derf said:

This has been a hotly debated topic since the 6th edtion book came out.

Every game i have played and every tournamet i have been to have ruled that shroud and stealth does not stack with them self only with each other.

If every game and every tourney has ruled the same way... it does not sound very "hotly debated" at all.

The rule is pretty clear, It says "A & B stack", it never says "A&A stack".

[Davor]

Is this the same debate as in Dark Angles? I believe their speed that gives the "cover save" rule (sorry forget the the name of the vehicle and rule) it is said that the one vehicle can't get the cover save from the other vehicle because it is already under the same rule.