Terror from Deep worth it?

[groundpounder]

It seems to me that many times a Terror from the Deep will result in a mishap (accompanied by the placement questions discussed on the other thread.)

My most regular opponents are Necrons (destroyer wing) and orks.

If the Mawloc hits a unit of 5 destroyers (T5) 2/3rds will be wounded and die the first hit = 1.67 left and then another 2/3rds will die on the second hit = 0.55 left. So half the time the Mawloc hits a unit of 5 destroyers it will result in a mishap.

Hitting a mob of 18 boyz (T4) is similar: 18 hit 5/6ths are wounded and die = 3 left. Second hit another 5/6ths die = 0.5 left. Which means every other time a Mawloc hits this mon of boyz, the one dude standing there will cause a mishap.

Well, likely with the boyz if there is one left it will be far from the center of the blast marker and the Mawloc may be able to fit on the blast marker.

Now of course part of the answer is to be careful what you aim at .....

Just wanted feedback if I am thinking about this correctly.

[daboarder]

the problems with Terror has always been that its priced like a similar IG strike, be it manticor, leman russ or whatnot, but it only ever works half the turns in a game, scatters the full 2D6 and now doesn't even prevent mishap.

[WestRider]

Honestly, mishapping often isn't that bad for Mawlocs. Half the time, you just go right back into Reserves and get to strike again without having to wait a Turn. A third of the time, the opponent gets to place the Mawloc afterward, which often isn't that much worse than whatever was going to happen to it anyhow, especially if you're using them against a Castled formation. Only one time in six is it unarguably bad.

[Kwodd]

I think deathleaper is crucial for TFtD.

[daboarder]

IT DOES NOT WORK.


jeeze would people stop about the lictor mawloc combo, it soudns great but its completely impractical. there is no way a lictor (even deathleaper) is going to sit on a table within 6 of a target enemy unit for their whole turn

[malebranche]

I think those are good odds for potentially wiping out a unit of necron destroyers, then getting to hit again next turn without taking any fire.

[atilha]

TftD can target units (friends or foes), so can target massed units in an assault.

Solution for the lictor/mawloch combo...get the lictors to charge that unit they are standing by 6inches, et voila.

Ok, lictors won't survive those two rounds of combat, but I'm trying to find solutions here!!!

[coredump]

Lets review your scenarios:

Destroyers: even assuming no Hvy Destroyers, you have a 45% chance of doing 160pts of damage, and mishaping, and a 55% chance of doing 200pts of damage and not mishaping.

Boyz: A 40% chance of doing 100pts of damage (plus upgrades...powerKlaw?) and mishaping, and a 60% chance of doing 108pts of damage (plus upgrades) and not mishaping.

Not bad for a 140pts model.

Part of it is target selection.
5 destroyers: good
12 boyz: bad
15 Lootas:good
8 terminators: good
10 cultists: bad


Part is recognizing that Mishap may be a good thing.
Assuming you picked a nice juicy target, what are the chances you survive for a turn so you can burrow?
If your opponent gets to place you, does that chance really get any worse?
So landing, isn't that good; and mishaping isn't that bad.

Normally, the best you get is an attack on turns 2 and 4 (*maybe* 6). With a 4-6 Mishap roll, you can attack twice as often, and twice as fast, thats really good.

The way I see it, mishaping gets a *really good* result half the time, the same result 33% of the time, and only a somewhat worse result 16% of the time.

[coredump]

Athila, there is a better chance of it working if the Lictors are part of a larger combat with multiple units involved.
Likewise, if you can cause a onesided combat, lets say 100pts of gaunts vs 250pts of terminators; then get the lictor just nearby, it can work that way.

I think trying for this might be more worthwhile, if Lictors were more worthwhile.

[Kwodd]

Deathleaper's snap shot rule makes it possible, with target saturation people aren't going to turn a units shooting phase into an overwatch. In addition, chameleonic skin doesn't require you to start in reserve so 2nd turn homing is now possible.

[daboarder]

Jan 17, 2014 5:15:15 GMT Kwodd said:

Deathleaper's snap shot rule makes it possible, with target saturation people aren't going to turn a units shooting phase into an overwatch. In addition, chameleonic skin doesn't require you to start in reserve so 2nd turn homing is now possible.

your right, they aren't, they are likely just going to walk away and achieve the same affect

[gigasnail]

deathleaper or another flyrant? let me think about this one a minute.

[Kwodd]

Jan 17, 2014 5:18:19 GMT gigasnail said:

deathleaper or another flyrant? let me think about this one a minute.

Absolutely, there is no better hq than dual flyrants. My comment is directed to those who were not interested in dual flyrants last edition and don't want to run them this edition.

[coredump]

Jan 17, 2014 5:15:15 GMT Kwodd said:

Deathleaper's snap shot rule makes it possible, with target saturation people aren't going to turn a units shooting phase into an overwatch. In addition, chameleonic skin doesn't require you to start in reserve so 2nd turn homing is now possible.

Sorry dude, but no. There are just too many problems with the concept.

First, if you use Chameleonic skin on T2, you can't "home in" until turn 3.
If you start on the board, there is no way to get close enough to the enemy to TftD on turn 2.

To be effective, the DLeaper needs to be in terrain *and* within about 4" of the enemy. (and an enemy unit that is worth sending the mawloc after)
So he either had to DS there, or move there.... hoping there is cover on the way.

Evenso, lets say he manages it, is in cover and 4" away. The enemy will either:
1) Use Divination, serpent shields, markerlights, thunderfire cannons, vector strikes, or some other way to kill DLeaper.
2) Assault DLeaper and kill it in CC. (though with Hit and Run there is some risk to thie) Or....
3) The easiest solution is to just move a couple of inches and get out of 'mawloc range'

[Kwodd]

Tried him yesterday and you're right. (please do not swear) MTC and run rolls made sure I was nowhere near a worthy TFTD target.