Tyranid Rumours. Jan 8 My last update.

[rpricew]

From Endobai on Warseer

Re: Tyranid Rumors - January 2014
I had to find the Tyranid codex and more important had to work for a couple of hours, too addicted to things such was food, drink and shelter to ignore this need. I am no Tyranid player so I wanted to have the codex in sight not to make any mistakes people will in turn mistake for something else.

It is still too early to say too much - hardly enjoyable to be in the spotlight shining like the Astronomican for the Hive Fleets...
I can only say maybe 20% of what I know for now. Soon images should start appearing in the web so it will be possible to comment on some of them.


Warriors.

In my opinion definetely the centerpiece of the release. Much like the Tactical squad for the Marine codex they are something every Tyranid player - new or veteran - will have to buy.
The box includes all or almost all weapon options the Warrior entry in the current (still the current) codex has + something really nice. Still don't expect all your wishes to come true. Remember it is no more than three infantry sprues in the box.

The unit's cost.
It depends on the cost of wargear and what special rules give them - namely what Synapse Creature gives them in the new codex. Right now I can see no meaningful point decrease. Still troops though.


Tervigon.

Still troops, but comes with 'the Gaunt tax' to occupy the slot. Gaunts are cheaper so it helps a little.

Much depends on the new psychic powers the Tyranids get because it remains a psycher with randomly generated powers so unlike some psychers in the new tyranid codex.


The Big Bug.

It is big, but not that big. Remember that the Wraithknight and Eldar models in general are smooth and do not have so many limbs, vents, horns, bio-guns etc so making something as large as the Eldar fellow would create something really, really expensive - definetely in titan price range. The big bug is thankfully cheaper.

The creature is taken from the Epic 40k, but the difference in size is not so ridiculously... pronounced, but it is large enough.


Ohh and the instinctive behaviour list is expanded - with entirely new modes some creatures will take when separated from the Hive Mind.

Tyrant Guard too got something new, a weapon upgrade they will find really useful.
Last edited by Endobai; 09-12-2013 at 07:06.

[Inquisitor Stingray]

Very exciting, I certainly hope he's right about pictures starting to float around in this coming week. You'd think in order for them to release a new Warrior kit, they'd make them a lot more viable and interesting. People aren't going to buy new, probably more expensive kits, of the same models, if they are still mediocre at best.

[malebranche]

Dec 9, 2013 15:24:02 GMT Inquisitor Stingray said:

Very exciting, I certainly hope he's right about pictures starting to float around in this coming week. You'd think in order for them to release a new Warrior kit, they'd make them a lot more viable and interesting. People aren't going to buy new, probably more expensive kits, of the same models, if they are still mediocre at best.

He says there's no meaningful point decrease but also says they are a centerpiece, essential etc. So either he's not a nid player or there's some big changes to their rules. If whoever writes the codex actually pays nids at all, I'm sure Warriors will see some major improvements, especially with the new box coming out.

*edit* Don't know how I missed that. That would explain a bit, non nid players always seem impressed by warriors until the game actually starts.

[Hive Fleet Ragnorok]

On the note of Warriors, I don't think they actually need *much* to be fully worthwhile. So a "mostly the same" means "small changes" which may mean "enough to make them cool again".

Maybe.

I'm on the fence about ID. I think blanket EW for bugs was over the top... maybe for Synapse Creatures... but that may even be a "dirty fix-all" that takes it a step too far. My real complaint about warriors right now isn't that they die to fast (hey, at least we get cover from those death-blasts), it's that they haven't done anything before they died.

I want more offense for Warriors - if Leaping makes a comeback in the new codex, whatever form it takes (so long as it's viable) Warriors should have access. Congrats, your CC guys can actually get there in time to do something useful. Deathspitters likewise should be the iconic warrior gun. Go back to 24" and S6, and they'll be laying the hurt on things from afar (oh how I miss those days). Blast would be nice, but with the amount of shots it has now it'd be decent, I think. An improved save option would be nice too (probably an either/or for Leaping/3+). That gives a variety of builds for different tasks, and makes them *good* at them. Go figure.

If points were as now, but they had these options to choose from (ie, if I could build a 35-40 pt warrior that's either good at combat and faster, or more durable and more shooty) I'd be happy. Nids have always worked well on target saturation... gaunts even often become targets for those S8 blasts, because there are SO MANY GAUNTS and you need the blast to deal with them. Of course, that's army-dependent a bit, too.

In either case, I'm hoping we get something solid soon... I'm just tired of the back-and-forth...

Ragnorok

[tylertt]

With all the high Str weapons lower point models have access to, I don't see why say Deathspitters won't become S6 or another weapon.

Will be interesting either way.

[FTGT-BeeCee]

yeah i really expect our world to be flipped quite a bit. I imagine all our lists will be changing quite a bit. that is a good thing!

[atilha]

He says there's no meaningful point decrease but also says they are a centerpiece, essential etc. So either he's not a nid player or there's some big changes to their rules. If whoever writes the codex actually pays nids at all, I'm sure Warriors will see some major improvements, especially with the new box coming out.

He actually said in the warseer thread that he is not a nid player himself...

[lictor534]

from BOLS

We rate this set of rumors possible, coming from mixed sources.

Release Basics
The total release contains 9 new kits, 3 clamshells. ZERO Finecast.

At least 1 new unit per FOC category.

Tyranids may ally with themselves. Their ally FOC is as follows: 1HQ and 2 Troops default, plus optional 1 Elites, 1-2 troop, 1 Fast Attack, 1 Heavy Support.

Biomorphs are in a seperate codex section in categories, with various Tyranid creatures having access to different categories. Biomorph categories are:
- Basic biomorphs
- Rare biomorphs
- Psychic-Leader biomorphs
- Unique biomorphs (only 1 each per army)

Units Rumors
Ymgarl Genestealers retain their ability to assault out of their hidden location.

Lictors only allow snap shots plus gain a hefty cover save when they are unveiled.

Raveners and Hormagaunts are Beasts.

Hormagaunts come equipped with Fleet by default.

Genestealers gain an A, and WS bonus.

Carnifex gains a T bonus, and may take virtually every biomorph in the codex (bringing back all those plastic bits from the kit into use.)

Trygon Primes move to HQ.

Venomthropes and Lictors are purchased in broods of 1-3 per FOC slot, but deploy and operate independently on battlefield.

New dedicated Transport big bug. May purchase a twinlinked set of heavy weapons, Transport capacity of 20 small bugs. Counts as an opened top vehicle for assault purposes.

Another "new" big bug is a direct import from EPIC with it's name unchanged.

Trygon & Raveners digital dataslate from GW Digital the same month as the codex release with a formation allowing Raveners to assault out of the Trygon's Deep Strike tunnel.

and then furthermore ..

GW: here is what is in our system: a Harpyie for 62,50€, Hive Guards for 45,50€ . Haruspex for 57,50€ and a warrior box for 45,50€ .

[lictor534]

also from terrorfex on warseer, this is the full post. Lots of interesting points

+++++++++++ MAJOR UPDATE +++++++++++

Behold brothers and sisters, I have more evidence than you can handle Today we thought of kidding around with games Workshop and since my local dealer has a pretty good relationship with its GW Area Distributor we thought about try to include 3 Boxes of Plastic Hive Guard alongside the other products he needs to order. What started as a little joke ended up with a massive info leak. I was standing next to my dealer while he phoned, the speaker were turned on and this is what I heard with my own ears:

We: Hi XXX, we wanted to make an order
GW: Ok we can put the stuff in the package for this thursday
We: *name all the normal products*
GW: Ok I have managed your oder
We: ah and I saw a box of Hive Guards in the net - I want three of those aswell
GW: Haha yeah leaked pictures - and you know that. You need to wait till january
We: Does that mean we finally see bids in jan?
GW: Yeah, preorder around new year
We: can you give me some information or is this super secret?
GW: Yeah I can - we will inform the stores pretty soon anyway
We: Do you play bids, too or have any idea behind it?
GW: *searches Data* no not really, I rarely play
We: Ah ok
GW: here is what is in our system: a Harpyie for 62,50€, Hive Guards for 45,50€ . Haruspex for 57,50€ and a warrior box for 45,50€ .
We: No Drop Pod?
GW: Apparently not
We: Hmmm strange - I thought they would finally release one.
GW: This is pure speculation but I think I heard that the drop pod is no longer in the codex. this new creature is a transport thing
We: Cool, no chars, fine cast or clamshells?
GW: No just the things I just said, thats all.
We: Cool, can you tell me anything else?
GW: No - thats all
We: Ok Thanks


OK WE HAVE:
Tyranids in Jan
Harpyie 62,50
Schwarmwachen 45,50
Haruspex 57,50
Krieger Box 45,50.

[lictor534]

then furthermore from endobai on warseer

Heh, so it is out.

I can safely say something more.

All those sets allow construction of another unit, also the Haruspex which can be assembled as... another creature from Epic 40k.


Hive Guards got another weapon option which can be seen on the leaked image.
The weapon is electricity based. No doubt inspired by Teslas, but I have no idea if it works in a similar way.

Tyrant Guards are very lovely. My most favourite models in the release combining what is the best in the 3rd and 4th metal models.
Several weapon options just like with the warriors.

I think that they got those new 50 mm bases. I was mistaken in the past with the SM Centurions so forgive me if I make commit another once again.


Haruspex is damn ugly so you will recognise it immediatelly, but its 'twin' is actually really nice looking MC.


Harpy's 'brother' is not called Eridne/however it was called in those rumours.

[nameless]

Although those BOLS rumors sounds a lot like what I'm expecting, they have a poor track record on Tyranids thus far.

And the ones from my friend who heard some guy translating smoke signals? They're a bit hard to believe.

[lictor534]

its not so easy to dismiss since the guy whos been feeding us info about the warrior box has pretty much confirmed it by stating he couldn't speak more earlier until it was leaked to the web, then it is in the transcript, and now he is stating that he can finally talk about it. Which does include the haruspex part

[FTGT-BeeCee]

seems hard to believe but then our only "reliable" source confirmed it.

The armorcast Haruspex looks really dumb to me, i hope it looks much more awesome.

so 4 new MCs (two dual kits) and hive guard/tyrant guard and warriors.

this is getting interesting everyone! what do i paint now while i wait?!

[lictor534]

troops, more and more troops if we truely are receiving a montrous creature transport, first thing i'd do is pack it full of genestealers...

[Malifex]

While the Haruspex sounds quite cool i'd be sad to see the spore disappear.

It does seem rather unlikely that we'll get a Harpy kit, a Haruspex kit, and a Spore kit.

The Haruspex rumour does seem to be from two sources Terrorfex and Endobai so maybe there's some truth to it...