SM: Crimson Fist 1850 pts.

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okay.. so i decided to keep working on my crimson fists list and bring it up to 1850 pts instead of 1750.

HQ
Pedro Kantor

Troops

10 Tactical Marines
Plasmagun
Sergant with combi Plasma
Rhino

10 Tactical Marines
Plasmagun
Sergant with combi Plasma

Elites
10 Sternguard
2x Heavy Flamers
Rhino

10 Sternguard
2x Plasmagun
Rhino

5 Terminator Assault squad
5x hammer og shield

Heavy Support
6 Devastators
4x Lascannon

Stormraven Gunship
Typhoon Missile Launcher
Locator Beacon

Fortification:
Aegis Defense Line with Icarus Lascannon

1839/1850

[infornography]

Looks good, just a couple points.

Why the Icarus instead of the quadgun? And who is going to be manning it?

I'm assuming Pedro is tooling around with the terminators in the stormraven. That will allow for quite a good offensive, do be careful not to let Pedro get picked off early in a fight, try to keep him near the back of the group so it is harder to remove him because when he dies so does your +1 attacks.

The heavy flamer sternguard unit probably would do better in a pod than a rhino. The plasma sternguard might as well, but it is less crucial for them. A pod would allow you to drop in turn 1 or 2 and remove a single infantry threat from the game. Sternguard are good at that. If all the infantry are in vehicles on turn 1, you have a lascannon dev team that can fix that problem.

Other than maybe trading out rhinos for pods in a couple places and considering replacing the icarus with a quadgun, the list is solid.

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i am actually considering not having a flamer squad.. the last couple of games i haven't used the flamers for anything beside overwatch lol.. also i do not like Drop Pods. Also i didn't think the Quad Gun had Interceptor... which it has

I was thinking the objective holders would be fine to hold with a defense line + Quad gun? correct me if i am wrong though
So i was thinking:

HQ
Pedro Kantor

Troops

10 Tactical Marines
Plasmagun
Sergant with combi Plasma
Rhino

10 Tactical Marines
Plasmagun
Sergant with combi Plasma

Elites
10 Sternguard
2x Plasmagun
Rhino

10 Sternguard
2x Plasmagun
Rhino

5 Terminator Assault squad
5x hammer og shield

Heavy Support
5 Devastators
4x Lascannon

Stormraven Gunship
Typhoon Missile Launcher
Locator Beacon

Fortification:
Aegis Defense Line with Quad Gun

1850/1850

[Jabberwocky]

Looks solid. Certainly enough plasma!

Consider letting the Devs man the quad gun when facing flyers, so you can signum and skyfire.

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i love plasma. don't know if you have noticed lol, and i might try that some game ^^

[infornography]

I would probably position the devs and your backfield scoring unit such that either one of them could man the quad gun. If it fires interceptor then the unit firing it can fire their normal gun on your turn, but if you want it to skyfire on your turn, you don't want to be forced to snap shoot all your heavy weapons at the flyer as well most of the time. Having the versatility to choose which unit is pretty much forgoing their shooting that turn in order to fire the quad gun at a flyer would be beneficial. And having the devs fire the quad gun at a ground target would be more compatible with their target preference with the lascannons.

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i don't want to make a new topic about same point cost and still crimson fist so!

thought about this one?

HQ:
Pedro Kantor

Troops:
10x Tactical
Plasmagun, Combiplasma, Rhino

10x Tactical
Plasmagun ( I am considering a plasmacannon since these guys are objective holders. and is ment to not move )

Elites:
10x Sternguard
2x Plasmagun, Rhino

10x Sternguard
2x Plasmagun, Rhino

5x Terminator Assault
5x hammer+shield

Heavy Support:

3x Centurion Devastators
3x Lascannons, Omniscope

Stormraven Gunship
Locator Beacon, Typhoon Missile Launcher

1850/1850

so. why Centurions. well. they don't die as fast, they still get tankhunter, Twin linked Lascannons, they can fire 2 weapons, more wounds, T5.

[infornography]

Ok, a few points on this list.

The stormraven should probably take the multimelta over the typhoon if you are not taking the hurricane bolters. The reason is that a single twin linked multimelta is more likely to shoot down an enemy flyer than two non-twin linked missiles. A single multimelta hit is 3 times as likely to cause an explodes result than a single missile hit. The only advantage the typhoon gives you is the option for frag missiles which work well in conjunction with the hurricane bolters but aren't really compatible with a general anti flyer/anti transport role, which should be a stormraven's primary focus since you can pop a transport with the storm raven the turn it drops to hover and then assault it's contents with whatever the stormraven is carrying.

If you are taking lascannon centurions, you really ought to give them missiles too. Hurricane bolters again are not at all compatible with the targeting priority of lascannons. The omniscope gives split fire, but all that does is allow one of the centurions to fire everything it has at a single other target. It doesn't allow the centurions to each split their two weapons, so you still have to make sure their weapons share a preferred target profile.

One thing you could do to free up some points is take some honor guard instead of hammernators if you don't need more anti-vehicle capabilities (which you won't with an anti vehicle storm raven and an anti vehicle cent squad already in the list). Since Pedro is a chapter master, he unlocks your ability to take one honor guard unit. These guys are amazing. They come with artificer armor and power weapons by default. For 15 points less than your hammernator squad you can take 6 honor guard plus the chapter champion and a chapter banner. That gives them each 5 attacks on the charge (6 for the champion) with a power weapon of your choice. My 7 man squad that I like to take is sword on the champion and then two each of swords, maces, and axes so that they can optimally annihilate any likely infantry target. With so many attacks each they can do a number on just about anything.

They are also pretty easy to model since they are just power armor guys you can just take any axes, maces, and swords you got kicking around and put these guys together with some ornate bits, possibly from the sternguard kit, to make them look suitably impressive. Only significant notes are, they have no invuln, minimal tank hunting capabilities, and you have to protect whichever model is carrying the chapter banner.

The plasma cannon isn't a bad choice on a backfield objective holding tac squad. It's target profile mostly matches bolters so they can be used to eliminate high armor and high toughness infantry. Plus you could always combat squad them so that the cannon can stay in the back and the plasmagun can become more mobile. If you are not equipping the sergeant with a combi though, giving him chainsword and pistol gives you an extra attack on the guy who can take a challenge for the team and provides you a little more melee protection in case orks come a knocking.

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sorry to break your chapter banner dreams. but pedro doesn't stack with chapter banner

"This bonus do not apply to Kantor and is NOT cumulative with the similair bonus from a chapter banner"

also. my meta is mostly space marines. and a whole bunch of them aswell , haven't seen the tournament armies.. but i guess tau and eldar from what i see on the danish forums. i just feel like honour guards will die from all that plasma they carry around, and that i (in my current meta) have to stick with the termies : /. i was considering finding points from elsewhere to fund some Missile launchers for the centurions though, and i think that i am gonna stick a plasmacannon on the objective holders and combat squad them.

Now the question is. how do i get down in point to get Missile launchers on the centurions : /

[infornography]

Yeah, forgot about pedro's banner. If your opponents are fielding a lot of plasma, that could put a damper on things. Do keep in mind though that they won't be foot slogging it, they will just assault straight out of the storm raven. They do have a habit of wiping out whatever they assault though so yeah, plasma and/or grav could ruin their day.

Ok, so I swapped the typhoon for a multimelta, added the plasma cannon to the tac squad with no rhino and gave the sergeant a chainsword and pistol. Then I dropped one tac marine from the squad with no plasma cannon and one sternguard guy from one of those units. That gave me enough points to stick missile launchers on all the dev cents.

also added a second storm bolter to each rhino. For 5 points it is totally worth it.

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now here is the thing that i might consider. instead of removing a precious sternguard. i could remove the combi plasma since it's a 1 time use. also i am not a fan of upgrading a 11/11/10 vehicle with aditional upgrades : /

HQ:
Pedro Kantor

Troops:
9x Tactical
Plasmagun, Rhino

10x Tactical
Plasmacannon, Plasmagun

Elites:
10x Sternguard
2x Plasmagun, Rhino

10x Sternguard
2x Plasmagun, Rhino

5x Terminator Assault
5x hammer+shield

Heavy Support:

3x Centurion Devastators
3x Lascannons, 3x Missile Launcher, Omniscope

Stormraven Gunship
Locator Beacon, TL multimelta

1846/1850

[infornography]

That should work. It loses the two plasmaguns using the rhino fire ports, but you keep the ability to combat squad out your sternguard.

At 5 points I consider getting an extra storm bolter quite worth it, but they are far from a must have. This list looks effective. Hope you have fun with it.