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Post by spleenhammer on Oct 1, 2013 14:08:07 GMT
Heya,
New to the Forum but have some questions anyway. I've been into 40k since it's inception, waaaay back in the day when speeders were made out of deodorant sticks and whatnot. At one point I think I've either had a collection of every faction out there, if not an outright army of them. This includes Tyranids but back when Zoanthropes were bipedal, flatheaded looking things.
So here's my question, I'm looking to get back in to the game after a long hiatus but whas flip-flopping between Tau, Dark Angels or the Death Guard. Then in hit me. I mean, what faction have I always had to most fun playing? Tyranids. What faction do I have the most fun modeling and painting? Tyranids.
So, here I am. I have a Hive Tyrant coming in the mail any day now to begin my collection anew and then I discover that there may be a new codex in the near future. Exciting stuff, that. But this tends to render all that was good in the old 'dex irrelevant, right?
So, considering the list of current incarnations of 'Nid units, what do you all think I should pick up that may well stay viable in the next codex? The Tervigon/Tyrannofex kit is rather new and shiny so I'm thinking that might be a good one to get a couple of, but other than that, I'm not so sure. With the rumors of all the new stuff out there, should I even bother with getting stuff now?
I dunno. What do you all think? I, once upon a time, had a brutal Nidzilla list, but they've all been lost in moves and what have you, so I'm more inclined to lean towards the bigguns rather than the horde types. Anywho, what say you?
Spleen Hammer
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Post by Squire on Oct 1, 2013 14:33:31 GMT
I dabbled in nids a bit back in 99 (or maybe early 2000) when their rules were a short section in the back of the third edition rulebook, and termagants haven't really changed since then. I think they're always a safe bet. Plus, if tervigons remain good in the new codex (and they're going to have to hit them with an almighty nerfing to render them obsolete) you'll need plenty of termagants with fleshborers, so you may as well get started on those
The hive tyrant is a bit risky. With the walking/wings options and all of the weapon combinations it's a risky unit to buy in the run up to a codex release. It may be wise to magnetise it
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Post by harry4tw on Oct 1, 2013 14:39:01 GMT
There is a rumor out there that there will be a new gaunt box, complete with all our gun options. I am oh so hopeful that this is true: But obviously, we don't know.
Like you said, something new and shiny is a good bet in terms of buying. But in terms of modelling, you're likely shooting yourself in the foot if you actually put the kit together. I would just save up the dough and wait, personally.
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Post by swarmy on Oct 1, 2013 15:28:17 GMT
There is a rumor out there that there will be a new gaunt box, complete with all our gun options. I am oh so hopeful that this is true: But obviously, we don't know. Like you said, something new and shiny is a good bet in terms of buying. But in terms of modelling, you're likely shooting yourself in the foot if you actually put the kit together. I would just save up the dough and wait, personally. Brace yourselves, auto-take spike rifle builds are coming  |
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Post by coredump on Oct 1, 2013 16:27:07 GMT
Magnetizing is your friend.
That said, I would feel pretty confident about the Ht or the Terv/Tfex models. Gaunts are usually pretty safe.
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Post by Hive Carnithrope on Oct 1, 2013 21:01:27 GMT
Warriors are always your friend. Even if they get nerfed in the next Codex, they are so versatile, they can be converted into anything else that's useful. But chances are they will be a Nid staple as always.  |
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Post by spleenhammer on Oct 1, 2013 21:54:13 GMT
Huh... Well I was planning on magnetizing the (please do not swear) out of the Hive Tyrant. That way as many options are still open for when the standard kit-out changes. I'd like to do the same with the Tervigon/Tyrannofex kits. Lots and lots of magnets...
Anywho, does anyone think it'd be a good idea to buy around 50 Termagants and maybe the like amount of Hormagaunts? Their kit-out remains static, no? Maybe stock up on Zoanthropes as they are not likely to change too much, eh? New(ish) sculpt that looks sweet and they're great in game too.
Thoughts?
Spleen Hammer
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Post by infornography on Oct 2, 2013 3:00:55 GMT
Well, the rumors have been kind of all over the place. There was even a rumor running around that Zoeys were getting a new dual kit with some kind of buffing thrope.
The battleforce is not a bad buy since you can get some warriors you can sit on for a while, some hormies and termies which can all be kitted out as termagants pretty easily, and some genestealers which you can proxy as ymgarls in the mean time.
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Post by N.I.B. on Oct 2, 2013 6:34:23 GMT
I dabbled in nids a bit back in 99 (or maybe early 2000) when their rules were a short section in the back of the third edition rulebook, and termagants haven't really changed since then. I think they're always a safe bet. Wut, you missed 4th ed when everyone modelled Spinegaunts and the outcry when the 5th ed codex switch made Termagants the new go-to troop just to sell models? |
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Post by spleenhammer on Oct 2, 2013 13:28:56 GMT
So the quick response to this is to pick up some Tyranid kits and basically just sit on them until the new 'Dex is out? Kinda boring but I can do that. I just wish I knew what the flavor of the edition was going to be. Shooty Warriors or Melee Warriors? I'm going to need more magnets because I got my Hive Tyrant in the mail today and reeeeally want to start, I don't know, doing something...
Maybe I'll get about 5 Pyrovores because we all know they're gonna be badass in the new edition, right? Right? *crickets*
Spleen Hammer
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Post by N.I.B. on Oct 2, 2013 13:36:50 GMT
Well, I got into 40K with the mindset of building a list centered around 20 Warriors, because I love the models and they had strong rules in the 4th ed codex. I bought 6 of them, then Cruddace killed all T4 builds and my Warriors have been shelved since. I'm glad I didn't buy anything else before the codex switch. Waiting another 3-4 months is the smart thing to do.
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Post by infornography on Oct 2, 2013 13:47:33 GMT
So the quick response to this is to pick up some Tyranid kits and basically just sit on them until the new 'Dex is out? Kinda boring but I can do that. I just wish I knew what the flavor of the edition was going to be. Shooty Warriors or Melee Warriors? I'm going to need more magnets because I got my Hive Tyrant in the mail today and reeeeally want to start, I don't know, doing something... Maybe I'll get about 5 Pyrovores because we all know they're gonna be badass in the new edition, right? Right? *crickets* Spleen Hammer You could always build your kits sans arms and weapons and just proxy everything to get a feel for how things run in 6th ed with a nid force. Then finish building them when the new dex drops. That is what I would do at least. |
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Post by bronyzro on Oct 2, 2013 13:49:49 GMT
I really need to pick up some MCs. I have none of the new ones, although I do have a Trygon. I converted my other Trygon into a Tyrannofex quite a while ago.
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Post by kalothagh on Oct 2, 2013 15:47:55 GMT
I would suggest, like others have so far, Tyranid Warriors, they are and will continue to be a staple of the tyranid army.
Hormagaunts and Termagants are definite purchases to fill out the troop sections, choices of weaponry I would leave to you (borers are a must if you get a Tervigon).
Unlike many here, I really believe in the Hive Tyrant, never really had issues with it and if you get the new kit as an additional Tyrnat, make the Swarmlord, so that you have options in HQ (he's horrible in C/C).
Elite choices are a difficult one to work out, Hive Guard are fantastic at the moment and if the rumour are true, they will be essential to combat flyers, so get a brood. Zoanthropes are always fun to play, they scare the (please do not swear) out of opponents due to their Warp Lance (S10 AP1 is nothing to sniff at) and I don't think this will change. The current models won't change, they're gorgeous, so if a dual kit does appear, just make the 'other' version with it.
Fast Attack is where we tend to fair badly, as nice as ravener models are and gargoyles for that matter, they are at the moment poor, but can add depth to your army especially for changing things up to (please do not swear) the opponent up.
Heavy is where it gets interesting, Trygons are a must. Period. Mawlocs are fun but their gimmick has already been nerfed and a bit of a one trick pony. Biovores are an unsung hero of the Nid army, a brood of three gives you a three barrage hit which is bloody brilliant and if they miss you get living floating bombs causing the opponent all sorts of issues (this hasn't change for the past few editions, so I can't see it change in the new one, it makes them very unique and very Niddy as well as fun to play. Fex's and Tyro's are useful if not a little expensive points wise but I feel this will change in 6th.
So I suggest:
Hive Tyrant/Swarmlord
Tervigon/s
Hive Guard
Zoanthropes
Termagants
Hormagaunts
Tyranid Warriors
Trygon/s
Biovore/s
Just to start you off, oh and the 50 or each Hormies and Termies, I suggest more along 60 Hormies and 90 Termies, that way you'll have plenty left over for your Tervigons plus have 2 full brood of both
One thing is certain, with Tyranids, I would say a good 80% of the old models can and do still fit very nicely into the range we have now. The 3rd edition Zoanthropes (the Eldar looking ones) really look good along side the 4th+ counterpart. I have several Queen Tyrants that I use as Primes, just to give you ideas of your old models
I hope this helps
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Post by spleenhammer on Oct 8, 2013 23:51:35 GMT
So at this point I've gotten a Hive Tyrant assembled, with no arms, and a small brood of Warriors assembled, also with no arms. Everything will get painted and magnetized. I'm really kind of hoping that Tyranid Warriors are actually worth a dang in the new 'dex as the thought of painting a gazillion gaunts and gants is rather daunting. And, I love the Warriors. Great models and in the past, great in-game. I'm also really curious about the "Nidzilla" type supplement that might or might not be coming out. The whole Nidzilla thing is what I ran way back in the day and it was a hoot. I don't have any of those models anymore, but what do you do, right?
So is everyone just sitting on their potential purchases nowadays or what? Should I not think about getting a brace of Tyrannofexes now? This is really rather frustrating, I must say...
Spleen Hammer
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