2 Crimson Fist 1750 pts lists.

[snowdaman]

Regular space marines can't take heavy flamers only stern guard and legion of the damned

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i deleted my original post by an accident lol, going to bed now but posting a new list tommorow ^^

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okay, so i updated my list this morning ^^ and came up with this:

HQ:
Pedro Kantor

Troop:
9x Tactical Marines /w Plasmagun, Rhino
10x Tactical Marines /w Plasmagun, Rhino
10x Tactical Marines /w Meltagun, Rhino

Elites:
10x Sternguard /w Plasmagun & Heavy Flamer, Rhino
10x Sternguard /w Plasmagun & Heavy Flamer, Rhino
Ironclad Dreadnought /w Heavy Flamer & Meltagun, Drop Pod

Heavy:
Vindicator
Vindicator

1746/1750

so Kantor makes sternguards scoring unit and the traits makes my normal marines re-roll 1's with their boltgun and boltpistols.
Kantor also gives all crimson fists Preffered enemy vs orks, and +1 attack of all models within 12" except himself. plan is to be a fast but hard hitting force so yeah ^^'

Any thoughts? ^^

[infornography]

None of those units would do much with the +1 attacks pedro gives. You might want at least one dedicated melee unit. Maybe honor guard or hammernators.

Vindicators got a cost hike without a performance hike. I'm not sure they are still worth it, especially with all the new options we have available.

I can't help but notice you are running imperial fists without any devastators. Their ability to give all their devs Tank Hunters is their best trait. With the new cost reductions for devastators, they are very much worth it for an IF list.

Also none of your tac marine or sternguard units appear to be set up for holding down backfield objectives. I'd drop at least one rhino for that.

Plasmaguns and Heavy Flamers are not the most compatible of guns. Plasma wants to be aiming at armor 3+ or better. Heavy flamers want to be aiming at armor 4+ or less. I'd specialize my sternguard a bit. Give one of them two plasma and one two HF. Also consider giving the sergeants combis to help give the unit some more punch when it is needed.

The Ironclad Dreadnought is going to be all on his own in the enemy's front lines. He won't last past turn 1 without support. He will probably distract some firepower from your rhinos though if that is the goal there.

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i am very new to space marines hehe just want a goal of what to buy before i just buy recklessly

HQ
1 Pedro Kantor

Troops
9 Tactical Marines
Plasmagun
Rhino

10 Tactical Marines
Plasmagun
Rhino

10 Tactical Marines
Plasmagun

Elites

10 Sternguard Veterans
2x Plasmagun
Rhino

10 Sternguard Veterans
2x Heavy Flamers
Rhino

5 Terminator Assault Squad
5x Hammer and Shield

Heavy Support
7 Devastators
4x missile launchers

1 Predator or Stalker (not sure)


1739/1750


So something like this? ^^

[infornography]

A few notes here. If you are buying all this new, the sternguard kits come with plenty of combi guns. I really do recommend them on your sergeants. The combi is worth more than one more tac marine in each squad in my opinion as it lets you alpha strike something hard with compatible weaponry.

If you are going missile launchers anyway on your devs, you may want to upgrade them with FLAKK for some anti air punch. But I would probably take lascannons instead. They only cost 5 more points per gun and have a half again better chance of destroying a vehicle outright.

You probably also want a transport for your termies and pedro. Land raiders are the obvious choice. You would have to go with either redeemer or crusader though (same kit, can be magnetized for versatility).

With the quantity of good scoring options available to you, you may want to complete drop one tac squad to afford everything.

For anti air, I'd recommend storm raven, storm talon, and/or quad gun Aegis Defense Line. If you take a storm raven it can also transport your termies and pedro instead and if you equip it with a locator beacon the terminators can bail out of it on the second turn it is on the board without it having to drop to hover mode.

I don't know how much air power your local gamers use though.

[queek]

thank you very much for the help ^^

HQ
Pedro Kantor

Troops

10 Tactical Marines
Plasmagun
Sergant with combi something
Rhino

10 Tactical Marines
Plasmagun

Elites
10 Sternguard
2x Heavy Flamers
Rhino

10 Sternguard
2x Plasmagun
Rhino

5 Terminator Assault squad
5x hammer og shield

Heavy Support
8 Devastators
4x Lascannon

Stormraven Gunship
Locator Beacon

1747/1750

i actually like the lists more and more everytime you post

thoughts? ^^

[infornography]

At this point your list is pretty well rounded. You only have one anti air option, but it is a strong one. All you have left is tweaking here and there to suit your needs.

Your dev squad only NEEDS 4 guys and the sergeant. The rest are just bodies waiting to catch a bullet. I would probably drop a couple of them to stick some more combis in the sternguard squads. Combi flamers with the heavy flamer squad and combi plasma with the plasma squad. Ideal loadout would be 10 sternguard where 2 have plasma and 3 have combi plasma for instance. That way when they disembark they can split into plasma squad and bolter squad. The plasma squad can unload into some major threat with aromor 2+ or a vehicle you can't get at with the lascannons. The bolter squad can take care of regular power armor guys or some ork boyz hiding in terrain with their special ammo.

This is just a minor tweak though as the list can function just fine without this change.

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i just don't want my devastators to catch a bullet to the eyesocket lol

[infornography]

The list can work just fine as is, like I said. You have a storm raven which can shoot down most flyers with moderate reliability, you have hammernators which when paired with Pedro get 4 attacks each on the charge and are tough as nails. You have plasma sternguard and flamer sternguard which can deal with infantry threats ranging from heavy infantry to swarms. And you have a lascannon dev squad that gets tank hunters due to being IF. They will have a good shot at destroying almost any tank you need killed.

It is a well rounded list with no big weaknesses.

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thx man ^^ i am glad you helped me ^^

[deathscream]

I'd like to chime in with a little Crimson Fist love here.

While putting Pedro with termis utilizes his +1 attack ability, I don't think the heart of the battle is where he needs to be. I have had the most success with him just holding I'm back and adding his bolter shots to the rest and then dropping a well placed (fingers crossed) bombardment.

And without switching up your list too much, you can swap out the rhinos for drop pods. This will allow you to put pressure on tau and Eldar. And really any army in 6th edition, since it is a highly shooty edition. It also allows your scoring Sternguard to hold and or contest objectives.

And lastly, to go against what infornography has suggested (not the reason for the suggestion, mind you) I would also add not only a combi weapon on your Sternguard sergeant but another combi weapon or specialist weapon to the squads based on what you are hunting with them. My meta is rampant with Riptides and giant Eldar walkers, so I have had some success with a grave gun in one of my Sternguard squads.

Just food for though. Good luck!!

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[infornography]

Keep in mind, you can now drop an orbital bombardment and still assault. If you are in assaulting range with your melee unit after their initial assault deployment or even the turn after they drop in from the zooming stormraven, he can lay down that orbital bombardment to thin the ranks of whatever they are about to slam into. Plus he can aim it toward the rear of the unit so it doesn't make it harder to assault due to the casualty rules for bombardment attacks. You don't have to waste that orbital bombardment just because he is with a melee team.

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I did not know that. Thank you for the information, Infornography!!

*goes and reads rules for game*

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the thing with drop pods, is that i don't really want a drop pod army, not my playstyle rly. ^^'