Building a Craftworld

[Ragged Warrior]

Hey Everyone!

Ragged Warrior here. It's been a long time, and I've missed you.

Anywho, here's what I have:

HQ:
Autarch w/wings
Farseer/Spiritseer
3 Warlocks

TROOPS:
10 Guardians w/ brightlance platform
5 Dire Avengers
3 Eldar Jetbikes

DEDICATED TRANSPORTS
1 Wave Serpent

ELITES:
5 Wraithblade w/ ghostaxes + forceshield
5 Wraithguard w/ D-Scythes

FAST ATTACK:
5 Warp Spiders

HEAVY SUPPORT:
1 Wraithlord w/ brightlance, flamers, and Ghostsword
1 Warwalker w/ brightlance and eldar missile launcher
1 warwalker w/ scatter lazer and eldar missile launcher




Right now I'm having trouble putting any kind of list together, so any suggestion that you have would be great. What would you field for 500, 750, and 1000 respectively? Please help!

Regards,

[Ragged Warrior]

Here's what I was thinking for the 1000 point level:

1000:
HQ:
Spiritseer
TROOPS:
5 Wraithguard w/ D-Scythe
5 Wraithblade w/ Ghostaxe
Wave Serpent w/ TL Scatter Laser & Shuriken Cannon
FAST ATTACK:
5 Warp Spiders
HEAVY SUPPORT:
1 Warwalker w/ Brightlance and Eldar Missile Launcher
1 Warwalker w/ ScatterLaser and Eldar Missile Launcher
1 Wraithlord w/ Brightlance, Ghostsword, and flamers

[Ragged Warrior]

And here are my preliminary 500 and 750 lists as well. Please let me know what you think! I have the hardest time playing Eldar, and rarely see any success with them.


500:
HQ:
Spiritseer
TROOPS:
5 wraithguard w/ wraithcannon
5 wraithblade w/ ghostaxe
10 guardians w/ brightlance platform


750:
HQ:
Spiritseer
TROOPS:
5 wraithguard w/ wraithcannon
5 wraithblade w/ ghostaxe
Wave Serpent w/ TL Scatter Laser, and TL Shuriken catapult
FAST ATTACK:
5 Warp Spiders
HEAVY SUPPORT:
1 Wraithlord w/ Brightlance, Ghostsword, and flamers

[Ragged Warrior]

Alas, no advice, and my 500 list was massacred.

[Jabberwocky]

I've not played with the new codex, but I always found brightlances overcosted. I just took the one on the waveserpent.

Troopswise I probably would stick to wraiths, though the new shuriken rules seem to make all the options viable with the right defensive tactics.

Who did you lose to?

[Ragged Warrior]

Thanks, Jabber.

I lost to Tau firewarrior spam: 2 units of 12, each with a marker light, 1 Fireblade Cadre, 1 Ethereal, and 3 Stealth Suits.

I was steamrolled by the number of shots. The speed and range of my guardians and wraith guard prevented me from ever getting shots off. He prioritized my wraith lord, and I was toast by the end of round 4.

Next time I am going to try this:


HQ:
Spiritseer w/ spirit stone of Anath'lan 70
TROOPS:
3 Eldar Jetbikes 51
5 Wraithguard w/ Wraithcannon 160
Wave Serpent w/ TL Scatter Laser, and TL Shuriken catapult 120
HEAVY SUPPORT:
1 Warwalker w/ scatter laser + eml + star engines 95

[VenuxHashMan]

I've been running mechdar since the new dex came out and have been pretty successful running lists like this:

Spiritseer

5 Wraithguard: D-scythes.
• Wave Serpent: twin-linked scatter laser; shuriken cannon.
5 Wraithguard
• Wave Serpent: twin-linked scatter laser; shuriken cannon.
3 Windrider Guardians: shuriken cannon.
3 Windrider Guardians: shuriken cannon.

Crimson Hunter Exarch

Wraithknight
Fire Prism
Warp Hunter

1,492 points


The wave serpent is a beast, I'd recommend getting another one so that both your wraith units can be mounted.

At 1000pts it's tricky fitting everything you need in with the expensive wraith troops though. Gimme 5 mins and I'll make what I'd take with the models you own...

[VenuxHashMan]

Right, I'm not hugely experienced with 500 point games, but if you're up against a similar Tau list again then this should be pretty effective:

Farseer

10 Guardian Defenders (no heavy weapon)
3 Windrider Guardians

5 Warp Spiders

1 War Walker: bright lance, Eldar missile launcher with plasma and starshot missiles.
1 War Walker: scatter laser, Eldar missile launcher with plasma and starshot missiles.

496 points


The aim here is for the guardians to hide in the best cover they can and hold any home objectives until the stealth team get close, and then move in for the kill with battle focus and re-rolls to hit from the farseer. The warp spiders harass the fire warriors (keep jumping in and out of LoS with their jet pack moves) whilst the war walkers stay just out of pulse rifle range and also target them (don't forget that battle focus lets them run after shooting!). The jetbikes simply turbo-boost around like nutters until the end of the game when they go for last minute objective grabs, and possibly linebreaker.

Your list looks ok, but the wraith's wraithcannons are probably overkill at that point limit, and the spirit stone isn't very helpful on the spiritseer unless you're rocking the Iyanden supplement or are really lucky with telepathy rolls.

Good luck, and let us know how it goes!!

[Ragged Warrior]

That is extremely helpful, VenuxHashMan!

I will be trying this list next, and will let you know how it goes! I'll probably try to build higher point wraith lists around it as well.


Thanks again!
Regards,

[Ragged Warrior]

Good afternoon, Hive!

Played a 1000pt match on Saturday with the following TauDar list:


1001 allies w/ tau

spiritseer 70
3 jetbikes 51
wraithguard w/ d-scythes 210
wave serpent w/ tl sl + sc 130
wraithlord w/ bl, sword, flamers 145

fireblade cadre 60
12 firewarriors w/ markerlight 120
12 firewarriors w/ markerlight 120
3 stealth suits w/ 1 fb 95



I should mention that I was teamed up with another Tau player against a Nid player and an IG player.

The list did very well! The mobility of the Eldar, combined with the Tau gunline was very effective. There has been some debate over the competitiveness of Wraithlords, and I want your opinion (as I am considering purchasing another). I was happy with his performance; despite rolling ones most of the game, he popped an IG tank on turn one, and acted as a nice threat to my opponent.

The bikes had a decent longevity despite there only being three of them, and they preoccupied my opponent. I used them mostly to harass, and pester the enemy. Success.

The Wraithguard terrified the Nids, and though the Wave Serpent did kick the bucket eventually, it helped to thin ranks a bit. By the way, D-Scythes are pretty cool.

The Tau were very efficient, and the markerlights really helped. I kept the fire warriors backfield and didn't move them--because they kept a low profile and kept their distance, they didn't receive much fire, and almost singlehandedly wiped out the IG troops. I fully support the use of the Fireblade Cadre, by the way. Amazing: the networked markerlight, and the additional shot really helped.

I didn't use the Stealth Team much, but they survived, and took out a Tyranid or two.



Still have not had the chance to run a 500 list on it's own, but will definitely be using bikes at low level games.

As I mentioned, I am considering making a purchase, and have reduced my choices to two:
1.) Asurmen and a Wave Serpent (This will finally make my DA viable, and I can put them in a Serpent. Alternately, having a second Serpent will allow me to run both my wraith units down the field for some turn 2 butt-kicking.)
2.) Spirit Seer and a Wraithlord (This will give me a third heavy support slot, and I will not have to use my Farseer model as a Spirit Seer anymore. This option is the best choice fluff-wise for my army, but I am looking for a competitive list, and several posts on DakkaDakka suggest that while Eldar is not even a competitive army, Wraithlords are a poor option.)

So, more mobility, or more punch?

What should I buy? What do you think of my list?

Regards,

[VenuxHashMan]

That Taudar list looks pretty solid! No skyfire but it doesn't look like you come up against too many fliers so no problem.

I'd go for the spiritseer and the wave serpent personally. Asurmen just doesn't look like he's worth 220 points to me. Plus, if you use the Iyanden supplement the spiritseer can give your D-scythe guys battle focus and run into some pretty prime flaming positions...

The second wave serpent I'd say was a no-brainer. My pair of serpents seem to be invincible until turn 3, however much fire they take, and they roll a metric crapton of S6/7 dice!

[Ragged Warrior]

I really love my Serpent, and having another will be nice. I did go ahead and buy the necessary things to build a wraithseer, but I do have a similar amount of cash coming in soon, and will probably get the spiritseer/wave serpent combo.

What are your thoughts on the Wraithseer? Seems pretty tough, and when I don't have the points I'll run him as a Lord.

Regards,

[VenuxHashMan]

Well my Imperial Armour: Apocalypse book just arrived today so I am now educated enough to comment

The Wraithseer is pretty tough, but as soon as you put a decent gun on him he becomes a Wraithknight level of points which is a bit much for me. His psychic powers aren't particularly great either.

Saying that, he is a pretty badass model and almost worth fielding just because of that! Also, another unit with spirit mark is always helpful when using lots of wraiths in an army.


Now please excuse me while I go and cry in the corner and think about how good my Warp Hunter was for the three weeks I owned it before the new book came out...

[Ragged Warrior]

Alright Hive,

Here is my updated 1K list. What do you think?


1000:
HQ:
Spiritseer w/ spirit stone---------------(Attach to Wraithguard)
Farseer------------------------------(Attach to Guardian Defenders)

TROOPS:
10 Guardian Defenders w/ BL-----------(Hold Objective)
5 Wraithguard w/ WC------------------(Deploy far downfield)
Wave Serpent w/ SL + SC, spirit stones

FAST ATTACK:
5 Warp Spiders-----------------------(Harrass)

HEAVY SUPPORT:
Wraithlord w/ BL + GS-----------------(Deploy far downfield, get into combat)
2 Warwalkers-------------------------(Keep backfield)
SL + EML
BL + EML


It is 1000 points exactly. I really need help with tactics because I have been losing quite badly.
Let me know what you think! Thanks in advance.

Regards,

[Jabberwocky]

I've started building my 1750 list and reading the codex properly.

What I would say, is try to decide what your vehicles and their passengers are trying to do.

Try and choose gun combos that have similar ideal targets. Scatter lasers are pretty flexible and make your other guns twin linked so try and fit those onto any platform that has another gun, even onto wave serpents if giving them a shuri cannon and planning to shoot with the shield.