Fun with Bastions?

[nurglitch]

So I had a thought milling around in my head, and it's finally found a way out:

Bastions!

Here's the thought: Infiltrators can deploy anywhere so long as they're 18" away from the enemy if there's a line of sight (LOS), or 12" if there is not. Meaning, it seems, that you could buy a bastion, place it 12" away from the enemy deployment zone, and then deploy infiltrators inside of it. Since they're 'embarked', they cannot be seen.

To add insult to injury, coredump informs me that Subterranean Assault would mix nicely with a Communications Relay, allowing any reserves to be re-rolled. Leaving out any bonus-inducing upgrades like Hive Commander or Alien Cunning, a Trygon or three would combine nicely with units like the Doom, Devourer-armed Termagants, and so on, to co-ordinate the incoming swarm.

Whether this would 'work' or not would naturally depend on the value of 'work,' but it seems like it would be an entertaining idea.

[coredump]

Hmmm... lets think this through.

As far as I can recall, only stealers have infiltrate, but you can fit up to 20 of them in a bastion.

The bastion only has 1 door, so you will probably want to position it to the side, that way you can get out, and the new troops can get in. I imagine putting stealers in there to start, they rush out, and some squishy shooty unit moves in. (not sure who.... warriors seem only unit that fits. But could be used to keep unit safe, like buffing zoans or some hive guard.)

And you don't have to come rushing out turn one, you can just use it as a safe place to 'store' your stealers for a turn or two. "Owning" the center of the board is rarely a bad idea.

[nurglitch]

There's also the benefit of blocking lines of sight from your opponent's deployment zone.

[immortalblue]

Where does it say you can infiltrate into embarkment?

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[swarmy]

I can see this being satisfyingly fluffy if you made it a broken capillary tower or some large hive like structure. Having hive guard inside it would also fit their fluff role and perfectly utilize their gun's rules

I say go for it...just don't use the basic model; that wouldn't be very nid-like.

[coredump]

Apr 22, 2013 16:59:23 GMT immortalblue said:

Where does it say you can infiltrate into embarkment?

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You are just deploying, if it was in deployment zone, would you have to start outside of it?

[nurglitch]

swarmy:

I was thinking of an Imperial Bastion, for the WYSIWYG, with a hot-glue effect I've seen people use in reminiscence of slime-molds. Something like an infected building.

immortalblue:

You raise an interesting point, and having squinted more closely at the rules for setting up Fortifications, it says that they have to be set up in the owning player's half of the table, which means that setting up just outside the enemy deployment zones still works. But, interestingly, Fortifications count against the terrain density, which seems like it should be significant for tournament organizers where the terrain is set up before the players arrive at the table, rather than after Fortifications are deployed.

According to the Infiltrate special rule, "This includes in a building (see page 121), as long as the building is more than 12" from any enemy unit."

So bully for that.

[rampagingfex]

Hope they don't have infiltrators and jump behind your bastion..as that would stop you from infiltrating into it.

-RF

[nurglitch]

So it depends on you deploying infiltrators first, if your opponent has infiltrators. Good to know.

[swarmy]

Apr 25, 2013 0:41:38 GMT rampagingfex said:

Hope they don't have infiltrators and jump behind your bastion..as that would stop you from infiltrating into it.

-RF

Easy fix for that would be to put something cheap like termagants or gargoyles with clear LoS right around the base of the thing. Enemy infiltrators? Not near your bastion

[rpricew]

Quick question, let's say that the Warriors got in the Bastion after the Genestealers got out. I am assuming that Synapse is measured from the "hull" of the Bastion? That would make a pretty durable Synapse node.

[coredump]

Yes it does.

[WestRider]

Apr 25, 2013 14:09:07 GMT swarmy said:

Apr 25, 2013 0:41:38 GMT rampagingfex said:

Hope they don't have infiltrators and jump behind your bastion..as that would stop you from infiltrating into it.

-RF

Easy fix for that would be to put something cheap like termagants or gargoyles with clear LoS right around the base of the thing. Enemy infiltrators? Not near your bastion

Only if you're keeping the Bastion in your Deployment Zone. If you're putting it up toward the mid-line of the field, that's not an option.

I'd also like to note that getting out of a Bastion works exactly the same as Disembarking from a Vehicle. The most important aspect of this is that you can't Charge on the Turn you leave the Bastion. Just something to plan for.

[coredump]

Apr 26, 2013 0:09:33 GMT WestRider said:

I'd also like to note that getting out of a Bastion works exactly the same as Disembarking from a Vehicle. The most important aspect of this is that you can't Charge on the Turn you leave the Bastion. Just something to plan for.

Dang, had not considered that. I checked on the rules, and I agree.
Makes them not as useful to hide stealers, but also means enemy bastions are not quite as useful.

[maugrim]

There are a metric tonne of rules involving buildings that people don't really understand as buildings have not been a large part of most players 40k experience. One question I've got is: "Is Leaping Down considered to be disembarking (and thus no assault afterwards)?" Because if it isn't - then put your Stealers on the battlements. They're not quite as "safe" from enemy fire, and you'll lose some when you jump down - but people won't expect it and you may just get your surprise assault off on them.