Realization regarding Forge World.

[infornography]

Almost every army has had everything in their FAQ reworded with the following verbiage added to their buffs.

"target unit selected from Codex:(enter codex name here)"

This is old news. Happened when 6th ed launched and as far as I am aware, only the Tyranid codex did not get this treatment, presumably because we can't ally with squat.

The realization though is this. Correct me if I am wrong but does this not remove the ability of every army but ours to buff any forge world units with anything so modified by their FAQ.

We can still give buffs to Forgeworld units but I don't think any other codex can. Or am I being entirely too literal here?

[rpricew]

What does it say in the ForgeWorld unit entries?

[infornography]

Is a heavy support choice for a Codex: Space Marines Army.
for example.

It doesn't say it counts as a heavy support choice for Codex:Space Marines. Just that it is a choice for them.

[coredump]

The 40K design team has had *MANY MANY* chances to make FW a part of the rules, and has neglected to do so at every step.

[nurglitch]

infornography:

I think the point is to prevent people abusing the heck out of the Ally rules by giving 'army-wide' bonuses to units that the rule was never intended to benefit. Hence there's no worry with Tyranids as they don't do the Ally thing; they're what other armies ally against.

Given that Forgeworld has likewise re-written material so that they can be selected as options for particular books, I don't see a problem: a Forgeworld Tyranid unit will have a blurb letting you know where it goes in the Tyranid army list, and likewise a unit that can be taken by, say, an Imperial Guard army will have information connecting it to whatever benefits it would otherwise be entitled to, such as a Lord Commissar's Ld10 aura.

[Psychichobo]

FAQ's? Well written? Oh you people, next you'll be wanting a working economy or something.

FW's still very much an opponent's permission sort of thing. Some people would be willing let to it slide for things like, say, Blight Drones for Chaos Marines, but other units might have obvious exploits due to the newer GW dexes.

[infornography]

Mar 4, 2013 15:50:32 GMT nurglitch said:

infornography:

I think the point is to prevent people abusing the heck out of the Ally rules by giving 'army-wide' bonuses to units that the rule was never intended to benefit. Hence there's no worry with Tyranids as they don't do the Ally thing; they're what other armies ally against.

Given that Forgeworld has likewise re-written material so that they can be selected as options for particular books, I don't see a problem: a Forgeworld Tyranid unit will have a blurb letting you know where it goes in the Tyranid army list, and likewise a unit that can be taken by, say, an Imperial Guard army will have information connecting it to whatever benefits it would otherwise be entitled to, such as a Lord Commissar's Ld10 aura.

I guess this comes down to a RAI vs RAW question. I suppose RAI is very likely that you should be able to buff FW units you take as a part of your FOC, but RAW, it looks like you can't.

[nurglitch]

It doesn't came down to RAI vs RAW or any such stupidity. It comes down to however you and your opponent want to play, or how your tournament organizer wants you to play. Reasonable people will come to the right conclusions, and unreasonable people will eventually quit because nobody wants to play with them.

[Space is pretty big]

Mar 6, 2013 16:28:54 GMT nurglitch said:

Reasonable people will come to the right conclusions, and unreasonable people will eventually quit because nobody wants to play with them.

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[hadriel]

I couldnt see this ever being a issue if they take up a solt in your FOC then i cant see why you would not be able to

[Psychichobo]

nurglitch: It ain't always that easy, believe me....

[nurglitch]

It really is that easy. You say to prospective opponents, prior to playing: "Hey, I don't think [insert disputable rule here] is really fair. How do you want to play it?"

If they want to play it the way you want to play it, play with them.
If they don't want to play it the way you want to play it, don't play with them.

I mean, unless you're exchanging Warhammer games for sexual favours, I don't see the problem.

[infornography]

The problem arises when you have enough of such rules that you either make some assumptions before you start or spend an hour going over every obscure questionable rule in the game. The default assumption is usually RAW. The purpose of this thread is to bring a potential conflict to attention and ask what the general consensus is regarding it's fairness. Perhaps you have a useful opinion on that?

[gigasnail]

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[gigasnail]

lol wtf @ the filters for this site.