Lashwhips in a challenge

[Sinny!]

Hi guys.
I havent played warhammer for quite some time and havent played Tyranids for even longer.
I just want to know how the lashwips work in a challenge..
Heres the situation.. I have a tyrant with lash whips and a squad of gaunts vs a daemon prince, I want the gaunts to be able to attack but I also want to use my lash whips.
Can I deny a challenge so my gaunts can attack and even though my tyrant cant attack can he still use things like his lashwhips?
Also if i was to have a tyrant with some guard with lashwhips and I accepted the challenge could my guard use their lashwhips?
Many thanks!

[Raven]

Since the check for lash whips and making challenges both occur at the beginning of the fight subphase, the turn player gets to choose the order in which they're made.
In the gaunts + Tyrant vs Daemon Prince scenario it wouldn't matter in which order they're made, as long as the DP is in b2b with your Tyrant when the check is made it will go down to initiative 1 regardless of challenges accepted or declined.
In the second scenario It depends on whose turn it is. If it's your turn you can perform the check first before accepting the challenge and reduce the character to I1, but if it's their turn they can issue a challenge before the check is made and won't be affected if you accept because models in a challenge are only considered to be in b2b with each other.
It's a stupid, illogical ruling that goes completely against the lash whip rules as written in the Tyranid Codex, but this is Games Workshop we're talking about, so Tyranids players are used to this sort of (mis)treatment.

[ranmafan]

Which is why you always lead the charge with a Tyrant Guard, so he can B2B with the DP first. Or if you're certain the DP will charge you, put the Tyrant Guard in its path so it B2Bs with the Lash Whip first. ;P