Chaos codex clarification

[heartagramtc]

So I'm interested in running a plague zombie list, I have two halves of the starter set, so that gives me 40 cultists.

Now if I run typhus I can nominate any chaos cultists unit and plague zombies. However it also states "zombies are cultists that have FNP, Fearless, and SaP special rules, and cannot purchase options."

Now in the cultist section of the army list, you must take 9 cultists and 1 champion. In the entry under options it says, "you can add up to 25 cultists for Xpoints."

So my question is that since typhus special rule states they cannot select any options, that I cannot increase the size of the unit? I would rather run two 20 man units instead of just 10.

Any thoughts?

[WestRider]

Everyone's waiting for the FAQ. As written, Zombies can only be taken in Units of 10, tho.

Do note that the Champion is still a Champion of Chaos, tho, even tho he's Zombified, and thus must still Issue and Accept Challenges, and can benefit from the Boon Table, potentially even becoming a Daemon Prince. I find this hilarious ;D

[robomummy]

currently i'd say you cannot increase the size of the unit. We nned to wait awhile for confirmation but i'd say 3pts for a guardsman with Fearless and Fnp in squads of up to 35 for very cheap is a little undercosted considering how useful they are. this is why i stick to this ruling.

[heartagramtc]

That's what I thought as well, but I do like how they can get a boon, but that means he's gotta kill a character in a challenge.

[WestRider]

I played against a couple of big blobs of Zombies on Sunday, we decided to let them take the extra Models. Wasn't really a problem.

They do cost more than 3 Points per Model, and Typhus is more expensive than his raw stats really justify, so they pay for it there as well. The fact that even S6 Attacks deny their FNP and they lose the Pistol helps balance it out, too.

I lost the Game, but it was because I just could not shut down that @#$% MaulerFiend or his Defiler, not because of the Zombies.

[seahawk]

Incorrect, the champion becomes a zombie (Chaos Cultists statline, not Cultist Champion statline) and cannot issue/accept any challenges.

Otherwise, we're stuck at 10 til the FAQ.

[heartagramtc]

Oct 17, 2012 3:54:48 GMT WestRider said:

I played against a couple of big blobs of Zombies on Sunday, we decided to let them take the extra Models. Wasn't really a problem.

They do cost more than 3 Points per Model, and Typhus is more expensive than his raw stats really justify, so they pay for it there as well. The fact that even S6 Attacks deny their FNP and they lose the Pistol helps balance it out, too.

I lost the Game, but it was because I just could not shut down that @#$% MaulerFiend or his Defiler, not because of the Zombies.

I was planning on using them mostly as screens or back field objective holders. And I'm not too worried about strength 6+ that's that many less shots into a more valuable unit. Also I want to use the zombies because they're cheap troop choices, which let me spend a bit more elsewhere. And I like typhus even if his stats aren't the best.

[andy089]

(before I start let my say that I don't actually play chaos)
To be honest...I don't think you're stuck with 10.
Because I can go ahead and can add 20 (or whatever) cultists to the unit. When I choose typhus, I can use these as my zombies - or rather, I declare that any cultists are now zombies. they can't be upgraded, yeah - so any flamer or whatever I wanted to give them is gone, but they still are more than 10.
I think it's all about the timing - if I choose my cultists first and then typhus or the other way around - I don't think there is a rule about it. Also, the zombies are declared zombies at any point aren't they? the 20 zombies THEN can't choose any options, but they were still bare-bone cultists, no?

[WestRider]

Oct 17, 2012 5:43:31 GMT seahawk said:

Incorrect, the champion becomes a zombie (Chaos Cultists statline, not Cultist Champion statline) and cannot issue/accept any challenges.

You're going to have to break that down for me. I don't see anything in Typhus's rules that says the Champion's Statline changes. The term "Chaos Cultist" in that paragraph is referring to Cultist Units.

[seahawk]

A Cultist unit can be declared as Zombies.

All Zombies are Chaos Cultists with X special rules.

Therefore, there are no Cultist Champions in a Zombie unit because all Zombies are Chaos Cultists.




Cultist Champion and Chaos Cultists are categorically different models, and the Plague Zombies rule says the unit only consists of the latter. Make sense?

[heartagramtc]

Oct 17, 2012 15:12:56 GMT seahawk said:

A Cultist unit can be declared as Zombies.

All Zombies are Chaos Cultists with X special rules.

Therefore, there are no Cultist Champions in a Zombie unit because all Zombies are Chaos Cultists.




Cultist Champion and Chaos Cultists are categorically different models, and the Plague Zombies rule says the unit only consists of the latter. Make sense?

I can see how you could read that as such, however to even have a legitimate cultist unit you must have a champion. He is not an upgrade he is a part of the main unit. He just doesn't benefit from any upgrades, he himself is not an option or upgrade. All the entry states is any cultist unit can be played as zombies. But get no options from their list. So I believe the champion is still there.

[gigasnail]

entry is poorly worded and screaming for an FAQ. i'm staying out of this one.

[seahawk]

Yea, I'm not arguing anything one way or the other too hard until we get answers. I already sent a HUGE list of Q&A to the rules guys so hopefully something will come of that.

[rainthezangoose]

Well the way am playing it is you can take more then 10, its clearly how it was being FAQ'ed. BUT I WOULDN'T ASSUME your opponent will see it the same way, just ask!

[snowdaman]

I can see both arguments like the first line under options is increasing the size of the unit. but it does have the word nominate so when do u nominate the unit? after it has been increased in size? Im curious how they will faq it.

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