1500 list vs. Eldar, need advice.

[glassiya]

Hi there, my synapse bros. Tomorrow I'm going against Eldar for 1500. It will be first game with 6th rules for my opponent... it will be second game for me at all. So I'd really appreciated some advices against space high elves. To be honest, I don't expect to win, just want to put a good fight and test some units to understand, if they are worth purchasing/converting.

So, I got all the models I have (what is about 1k), and found proxies for everything else (my opponent is okay with that), so list may sound a bit strange:

== HQ ==
Tyranid Prime (1) - Deathspitter, Lash Whip And Bonesword, Toxin Sacs, Regeneration = 120 pts.
The Parasite of Mortrex (1) = 160 pts. (love this guy, low eldar toughness=>more rippers);

== Elites ==
Ymgarl Genestealer Brood (8) = 184 pts.
Hive Guard Brood (3) = 150 pts. (for mech/flying mech)
Pyrovore Brood (190 pts.) I know no one likes them, but I'm still trying to find the way for them to work properly;
Pyrovore (3) = 135 pts.
Mycetic Spore (1) - Barbed Strangler = 55 pts.

== Troops ==
Hormagaunt Brood (16) - AG, Toxin Sacs = 160 pts.
Termagant Brood (16) - Spike Rifle = 96 pts.
Broodlord Brood (199 pts.)
Broodlord (1) - Scything Talons, Toxin Sacs, Implant Attack = 80 pts.
Genestealer (7) - Toxin Sacs = 119 pts.

== Fast Attack ==
Gargoyle Brood (15) - Toxin Sacs = 105 pts.

== Heavy Support ==
Biovore Brood (3) = 135 pts. (just in case)
== Total ==
1499 pts.

So, as you see, I minimized Psykers (a little paranoid about farseers, runes and such), there's only Broodlord, who can kick ass even without casting any spells. Also, there's no Monstrous Creatures, although I'd love to test them - I suppose high-initiatived Eldar will wipe them out in melee, and I saw some nasty Instant Death weapons, which scared me even more, than initiative. And there's just one stack of HG, although everyone take three.

So - do anyone with Eldar experience can give me a hand here? Personally, I'm still thinking about removing some specialists and increasing sheer numbers of Gaunts and Gargoyles, to overwhelm the enemy in Zerg style.

And excuse me for bad english, which is - sadly - not my first language.

[Anggul]

Don't bother paying for spike rifles on gaunts, none of the gaunt guns are worth it unless you want to really spend out and get devourers.

Trust me, people have wanted the Pyrovore to work for a long time, but the fact is it just isn't worth it's points. You might manage to get them all into flamer range of a squad and toast it, but it will rarely happen. Rumour has it that they're going to be changed into an anti-air unit.

Biovores are good anyway, but against Eldar they're glorious.


I'm not sure what you mean by 'some nasty Instant-Death weapons'. Eldar have none apart from Direswords which no-one uses and only kill on a Ld test like a single Bonesword. Dark Eldar do, but not Craftworld Eldar. Monstrous Creatures are actually pretty good against Eldar, who struggle with hard-to-get and over-priced as hell heavy weapons.

[glassiya]

Aug 11, 2012 12:28:27 GMT Anggul said:

Don't bother paying for spike rifles on gaunts, none of the gaunt guns are worth it unless you want to really spend out and get devourers.

Trust me, people have wanted the Pyrovore to work for a long time, but the fact is it just isn't worth it's points. You might manage to get them all into flamer range of a squad and toast it, but it will rarely happen. Rumour has it that they're going to be changed into an anti-air unit.

Biovores are good anyway, but against Eldar they're glorious.


I'm not sure what you mean by 'some nasty Instant-Death weapons'. Eldar have none apart from Direswords which no-one uses and only kill on a Ld test like a single Bonesword. Dark Eldar do, but not Craftworld Eldar. Monstrous Creatures are actually pretty good against Eldar, who struggle with hard-to-get and over-priced as hell heavy weapons.

Thanks for quick reply.

I know, what SpineRifles isn't my brightest idea, but for some reason I decided to choose those. This way gaunts are still cheap enough to be used as a cannon fodder, and have 18' range to actually shoot at least once. They are just support to shield Prime and maybe take objectives if needed, that is all.

Pyros... damn, they have three nice aspects: heavy flamer to shoot, armor ignore in assault, and also acid blood for slow-witted enemies. Clearly, Eldar aren't slow ones - they will easily pass Ini test, and most likely kill poor Pyros before they strike back. Still, these three guys should get out of the droppod, lay three templates on anything close enough and watch them burn - and they can even burst 10 armor, if I'm right. Just want to see, how much damage they can cause at least in 1 shooting phase.

Thanks for the info about MCs and Eldar prices - I really didn't knew this. Will try to adjust my list according to this, there's still time till tomorrow.
It was very helpful. )

[Jabberwocky]

Eldar do have instant death in the form of wraithcannons and (I think) D-Cannons.

One thing you may have trouble with is high volumes of S6 AP5/6 which Eldar often field in the form of shuriken cannons and scatter lasers. Luckily they are quite a pricey army though I'd maybe drop PoM for another big brood of gargs/hormies, unless you really want to try him out.

[eldar88]

D-cannons are the same as Wraithcannons except, for being small blast barrage, and 24". either way not nice for MCs

Try running Tyrant (with HVC Armoured Shell, Implant Attck, 3 Guard+ Lash Whips), Tervigon (crushing Claws), Gaunts, Mawloc+ Trygon Prime, Carnifex (Devorers+Deathspitters) All with regen, AG, TS (MCs only)
and the doom for good measure

that should give them pause for thought.

[Tempests Wrath]

As Jabberwocky commented, eldar tend to be able to bring -lots- of S6 weaponry to bear.

The single local eldar player I game with a here in 1000 points can put 24 S6, ap 6, (effective) twinlinked shots down at 36 inches (war walker squadron), and another 12 S6 shots from various jetbike squads.

The player relies on concentrated fire, hit and run tactics, and overwhelming mobility to win. Past that he has a couple other support units he plays around with, a dragonwagon in 5th was his favorite.

But thats only in 1000 points, and from a player who hasnt truly optimized the eldar lists he goes with. And yet.. its still 36 str 6 shots at a range of more than my own.

The question Id ask if you want to hold up against eldar (from my experience)... how well can your list stand up to massed, and decently ranged, firepower? And how long can you do it while trying to pin them down long enough to damage them in any significant way? It can be hard enough with monstrous creatures soaking hits. I imagine its even harder without them.

Edit:: That said, how did the game actually go? I am curious!

[glassiya]

Aug 16, 2012 0:05:48 GMT Tempests Wrath said:

Edit:: That said, how did the game actually go? I am curious!

It was awful. Really. My stupidness (I guess there was something wrong with me, may be because of weather or something, because I forgot everything that I just could) multiplied on total misfortune (of all biovore plates only one struck where it was supposed to, when in the very first shooting his barrage struck in my gargoyles, killing pretty much everyone and leaving Mortrex with 1 wound left. After that kind of rain all that he could was to hide behind Hormagaunts, giving them Synapce). Hiveguards dismantled his Walkers in no time, and Pyrovores landed close enough to one-shot full squad of Harlequins. Besides this, everything was a mess - my CC squads came too close and tasted that awesome shooting power everyone is talking about.

Very sad game, actually.

[General Chips]

But still deserves a smile apparently

Try to give us a detailed battle report. that way we can pick apart what you did and try to give you some really good help.