Nurgle csm...yikes!

[nidzy]

I played a 1500 game yesterday against 35 plague marines (3 plasma/fist squads, 2 melta/fist) typhus and a lord with lightning claws. I barely lost in the relic mission because of a poorly timed charge with Gants that let him catch up to my tervigon who was holding the relic.

With that said, plague marines are nasty. The t5 means they get fnp from everything in the our army except for smash. Typhus is a beast as well. They are still rough in assault as well because of the no charge bonus as well as their base 2 attacks.

Anybody else played nurgle lists so far?

[Psychichobo]

They do seem to be looking like a nasty piece of work. Their Daemon Weapon just got nastier as did their bikers, and with allies filling in gaps... Heck, they could even BE the allies in other annoying lists...

[jundswarmmaster]

Feel no pain is now only negated by instant death....
Soooo
Nurgle bikers will be the big pain...

[nidzy]

@jund smash is the only thing in our codex that will ID t 5 as it is str 10 if you halve your attacks. Though I did forget a carnifex with ag when writing this.

Psychichobo I am absolutely terrified of an ally with the named daemon (epidemius? I can't remember) that tallies up models killed and adds buffs to anything with the nurgle icon from there. At a certain point they get get power weapons and a 3+ fnp which as of yet hasn't been FAQ'd to a 4+. If like 15 Gants die, there goes the game. Double yikes...

[reallysorry]

I won 2 games versus this kind of a list. 21 havocs ,2 rhinos ,4 bikers with a lord , 14 plague marines , the daemon lord of nurgle (epidemus) together with 7 of his followers for wound allocation etc.

All you have to do is kill Epidemus before he farms the 20 kills. If he does farm the 20 kill however its going to be tough.It took 30 devilgaunts a flyrant with 2x TL Devourers and 3 mycetic spore to take down Epidemus in one round and they barely made it.

His new list however has 14 followers for wound allocation! I don't know how that would work for me

[Illithid]

The Nurgle Bikers are even tougher - T6 with Mark of Nurgle... my mate is cackling about running a squad of 3.

[jundswarmmaster]

Jul 4, 2012 21:14:55 GMT nidzy said:

@jund smash is the only thing in our codex that will ID t 5 as it is str 10 if you halve your attacks. Though I did forget a carnifex with ag when writing this.

Sorry, I know how that works, I think I forgot to hit post edit or whatever when I corrected myself.

[guidebot]

Jul 4, 2012 21:14:55 GMT nidzy said:

@jund smash is the only thing in our codex that will ID t 5 as it is str 10 if you halve your attacks. Though I did forget a carnifex with ag when writing this.

Psychichobo I am absolutely terrified of an ally with the named daemon (epidemius? I can't remember) that tallies up models killed and adds buffs to anything with the nurgle icon from there. At a certain point they get get power weapons and a 3+ fnp which as of yet hasn't been FAQ'd to a 4+. If like 15 Gants die, there goes the game. Double yikes...

And rupture cannon and warp lance... Just for completeness.

Yea, nurgle got a decent buff in 6th, but they needed it. I tried a plague army back when 5th was young and it was so frustrating; no deployment tricks, no particular maneuverability, mostly bolters for shooting, typhus costs landraider points and dies to a single s8 hit...

They just weren't fun to play, really. Now they might be, with bolters reaching far and being a bit harder.

[nurglitch]

You also forgot Old One Eye, with S10 as his base value. That said, hitting them with a regular Carnifex without an Adrenal Gland means that they still don't get armour saving throws, so they're basically going to get an equivalent to a 5+ save and then die. Nothing to get hung up about.

[apaosa]

And Implant Attack.

[reallysorry]

Bottom line is even with Epidemus and Daemon allies CSM aren't really going to be our biggest problems (not until they get a new codex that is).

[kingfisher773]

just letting you know csm are getting a new codex really soon (with an awesome raptor-like squad for nightlords that takes a dump on sanguinary guards, which is freaking awesome) so they might get a nerf to "balance" them (i know about the new codex cause someone at GW told his friend about it and he told me, keep it quiet k )

[rainthezangoose]

they will get a new dex, and it will be before or in september, otherwise the starter kit will contain chaos minis without current rules. which would be a plain stupid move

[reallysorry]

Well obviously they needed a bit of boosting cause midway 5th edition they got to "scrap bottom" list of armies.

[warischoy]

i really don't see how CSM is bad in 5th. 2 out of 3 missions are objectives and plague marine spamming in rhinos are always good at that. You have the oblitorators for vehicle destruction. Many people will need to shoot them with ap1 or ap2 to negate their save or powerfist/thunderhammer. battle cannons will kill them but so does anything apart from a monsterous creature or terminators. normal powerweapons will have to mostly wound on 5+/6+. All of that for 20 points each.

i really don't understand how CSM was a bad army. I understand they don't get all the goodies normal marines get but they can spam plague marines and or spam lash and khorne berserkers. i will admit they were nerfed but they weren't rock bottom. They were about as good as tyranids in 5th or tau was. Not unplayable and very devastating played by a good player.