Clarifying using BRB Psy Powers

[coredump]

I keep reading threads where people don't understand how the BRB powers work, so I thought I would try and explain it a bit:


Mastery level is how many powers it can *cast* per turn. Not how many it has.

Nid HT has two powers, can cast one per turn. Mastery 1
Nid Slord has 4 powers, can cast two per turn, Mastery 2.


You create your psyker the same way you always have. Getting some powers, paying for some powers. Some are mandatory, some are optional. You go about it the same as always.
THEN...
You can choose to 'turn in' those codex powers, and instead use the BRB powers. It does not matter how you got those powers... just that you have them. For example, if your psyker comes with one power, and *has* to buy a second power, and then you choose to buy 2 more powers... you have 4 powers.
The SLord comes with 4 powers for free.
Both examples have 4 powers.
SO...
You now get to make 4 rolls on the applicable BRB power charts. You can mix and match between the three allowable disciplines as you see fit. If roll the same power twice (for the same model) you reroll (You don't *pick*) If you don't like the power you have rolled, you can swap it for the Primaris power.

It is all or nothing. If you have 4 powers, you must swap out 4 powers, or none.

I don't know if you have to pick the Primaris power right away, or can make all rolls first, and then decide if you want to swap any for the Primaris power.




So, if someone says "Tervigons are great with Biomancy"... what does that mean? Are all 6 choices 'great' for them? Are they better than Catalyst? Are you just hoping you get a good roll?



If someone can show in the rules/FAQ where I am mistaken, that is cool.

[Davor]

HUH, what edition are you using? Big Red Book? That is 5th edition. Do you mean the BGB the Big Green Book?

*edit* I see you mean Big Rule Book. Sorry, to me BGB use to stand for Big Red Book, since the middle letter was for the colour of the editon, just like 4th was BBB Big Black Book.

Thanks for clarifying it greatly helps me, thanks.

[Jabberwocky]

With the Terv able to trade for 3 powers, I can see it being good with biomancy. You will always get at least 1 bless/malediction power, though how useful they are will obviously depend on playstyle. Plus it's quite expensive.

[liquid405]

Jul 1, 2012 17:09:51 GMT coredump said:

So, if someone says "Tervigons are great with Biomancy"... what does that mean? Are all 6 choices 'great' for them? Are they better than Catalyst? Are you just hoping you get a good roll?

5 out of the 6 powers in biomancy are really good. Haemorhage is pure meh.

[Jabberwocky]

To be fair, catalyst is good too. Though I'd rather trade in dominion and cata for a few options I could choose between during the game depending on the situation.


My Flyrant is definitely taking biomancy since I can't parox while shooting his 2 guns. Most of my Broodlords will probably use biomancy too, maybe keeping gaze on my IC hunter.

[liquid405]

Jul 1, 2012 17:33:03 GMT Jabberwocky said:

My Flyrant is definitely taking biomancy since I can't parox while shooting his 2 guns. Most of my Broodlords will probably use biomancy too, maybe keeping gaze on my IC hunter.

Don't forget that Vector Strike sucks up a shooting attack.

[coredump]

I am not saying the BRB powers are junk, or should be ignored. But I feel a tendency to imagine only the best results, and discount the cost.

For example, yes you can get 3 rolls for the Terv. But that also means you are spending 30pts for two of those rolls; you can't cast FnP, Dominion, or Onslaught; and you can still only cast one power a turn.
And then I consider that many of those powers have a 12" range, and I don't want my Terv 12" from a unit that isn't already locked in CC, and I usually don't want the Terv in CC. (But I also understand that others have different play styles; heck I almost never use tervs anyway....)

It may or may not be worth it, but we should be sure to be objective about it, and consider all the aspects.

But keep coming with suggestions, we have a whole new game to rediscover. (And yeah, I hate the fact that all of the HT powers are shooting attacks.....)

[liquid405]

Jul 1, 2012 18:03:56 GMT coredump said:

For example, yes you can get 3 rolls for the Terv. But that also means you are spending 30pts for two of those rolls; you can't cast FnP, Dominion, or Onslaught; and you can still only cast one power a turn.

And then I consider that many of those powers have a 12" range, and I don't want my Terv 12" from a unit that isn't already locked in CC, and I usually don't want the Terv in CC. (But I also understand that others have different play styles; heck I almost never use tervs anyway....)

I totally agree. When it comes to psychic powers though, Biomancy only has two shooting attacks (outside of primaris). Blessings are, by far, the best way to go.

It comes down to a guaranteed FNP vs maybe a FNP. It all depends.

[immortalblue]

Another thing to remember is a lot of the tervs buffs are shooting attacks, meaning you can't assault an enemy unit. However, the disciplines don't exclude you then attacking something else...

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[N.I.B.]

I wouldn't be surprised if the FAQ's were updated soon-ish, and then our codex powers would probably be classified into one of the types. For example, I'm daring a guess that Paroxysm will be amended as a Malediction - because it makes sense - and thus it wouldn't take up a shooting attack.

Swarmlord is the most interesting candidate for BRB powers, as he's the least random of them (get 4 powers) and most likely to grab the power you really want.
I'm looking at Biomancy, from the simple fact it has more Blessings then the other two. Because they cannot be countered, Blessings reduce the amount of random in your army and puts you in control. It also only has Warpcharge 1 powers, which I prefer as I think in general it's better to cast two powers than one powerful.
Telepathy has it's upsides. I think Dominate is a sleeper, the range is good and it becomes more powerful in the late game as one failed run to reach an objective can decide the outcome of a game.
Invisibility is great when you have Deathstar or some other unit that you really want to keep alive, and it allows your Tervigons to spread FNP elsewhere.
Hallucination is great against enemy Deathstars, but not so much an MSU army.

[webebuggin]

Puppetmaster zoanthropes. God Damn are they deadly. Whether you drop them or walk them. The ability to grab a specific person and use their shooting is nasty. Grabbed a flame template guardsman who was on the edge of his unit. Toasted ALL his unit but him and one guy to his right. Also getting eternal warrior onto zoans is amazing. I will be spamming psychers all day.

Has there been any clarification on broodlords who roll witchfire attacks how they hit without bs? Or are you screwed if you roll it?

[creep]

EW Zoans? Due to the phsychic power? why should i want that?

[apaosa]

Except for Puppet Master to target the flamer specifically, you have to roll a 5 or less on your psychic check. If you pass, but don't roll 5 or less, you randomize between all other models excluding your original target. Pg 69.

Also... You can't target the model's own unit. Pg 423.


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[webebuggin]

Pretty sure puppetmaster states you can specify model

[liquid405]

You can, the model just cant target his own unit.