Fine Tune WFB Orcs and Goblins

[Devil's Advocate]

I'm trying to fine tune my 2000 point WHFB list... I'm currently 44 points over.

Thoughts?


2000 Pts - Orcs & Goblins Roster

Black Ork Warboss 253 pts
General, Sword of Striking, Armour of Destiny, Dawnstone

Great Shaman 165 pts
1 Dispel Scroll

Black Ork Big Boss 120 pts
Heavy Armour, Sword of Swift Slaying, Enchanted Shield

Night Goblin Big Boss 100 pts
Battle Standard Bearer, Razor Standard

Goblin Big Boss 53 pts
Spear; Light Armour; Shield
Giant Wolf (Swiftstride)

Goblin Big Boss 53 pts
Spear; Light Armour; Shield
Giant Wolf (Swiftstride)

Night Goblin Mob 290 pts
55 Night Goblins, Full command; Nets; Spear; Shield;
2 Fanatics

Night Goblin Mob 120 pts
20 Night Goblins, Musician; Spear; Shield;
2 Fanatics

Night Goblin Mob 120 pts
20 Night Goblins, Musician; Spear; Shield;
2 Fanatics

1 Mangler Squig, 65 pts (Immune to Psychology)
1 Mangler Squig, 65 pts (Immune to Psychology)

River Trolls 180 pts
4 River Trolls

Spider Rider Mob 160 pts
10 Forest Goblin Spider Riders, Full Command; Spear; Shield;

Shooty Things, 300 pts
1 Goblin Spear Chukka, 35 pts
1 Goblin Spear Chukka, 35 pts
1 Goblin Spear Chukka, 35 pts
1 Goblin Spear Chukka, 35 pts
1 Goblin Doom Diver Catapult, 80 pts
1 Goblin Doom Diver Catapult, 80 pts

[General Chips]

Get rid of a spear chucka and some night goblins on the big mob. Not sure how you plan on running the 55 man mob (11X5?) but that seems like the easiest cut to make on an interesting list like this

[Devil's Advocate]

the 52 (formerly 55) goblins are going to be 10x5+extras, or, where stubborn will be of more use, I'll make a really deep column maybe 6 wide or something.
I can see the value of only dropping a single spearchucka.

You find it interesting? Sweet. I'm thinking of using the two lone goblin bosses on wolves as artillery hunters... previously I had tried a single boss on an arabyan carpet, but that worked out to be way too expensive, so I was far too conservative with him. This way, I can use the 50 point bosses and not worry too much about losing them... and with the second threat of the spider riders, hopefully they may make it a bit, or may free me up to use the spiders as redirectors against more brutal units.

[apaosa]

Consider putting the Mask of EEEEeeee! On one of the wolf bosses with the intention of NOT making your charge. Declare a charge on a unit 20.5 inches away and they may lose an important unit on a failed check. Then redirect and try it again.

[apaosa]

Very goblin-y.. Take one more step and go pure gob!

[hornywingythingy]

I'd lose the dawnstone on the orc lord, at best you have a rerollable 4+ armour (if you took a shield) most things that can hurt a t5 lord will just ignore that.

I'm not honestly convinced on the armour piercing banner on goblins, and I'd look at trying to get your blocks to two or three thirty to fourty strong.

As general chips said, lose the bolt throwers, they are just plain awful now.

Are you gonna run the orc characters in the goblins? You don't have any orc units that I could see.

If you play with random battles (as opposed to just pitched battles) add standards to every unit you can, for the game with breaking points based upon standards.

[Devil's Advocate]

Apr 19, 2012 0:15:50 GMT apaosa said:

Very goblin-y.. Take one more step and go pure gob!

I've already learned to NOT do that...

Consider putting the Mask of EEEEeeee! On one of the wolf bosses with the intention of NOT making your charge. Declare a charge on a unit 20.5 inches away and they may lose an important unit on a failed check. Then redirect and try it again.

This, on the other hand, is a pretty cool idea. Maybe at 2500...

Apr 19, 2012 10:15:39 GMT hornywingythingy said:

I'd lose the dawnstone on the orc lord, at best you have a rerollable 4+ armour (if you took a shield) most things that can hurt a t5 lord will just ignore that.

someone else mentioned that. I thought it was a good point, and it would allow me to take a couple banners or a single fanatic.

I'm not honestly convinced on the armour piercing banner on goblins, and I'd look at trying to get your blocks to two or three thirty to fourty strong.

Well, the only other magic banner that makes sense to me (for goblins) is the spider banner - especially if I can get Gift of the Spider God off - but that's a really expensive banner to put on a poor little goblin with a 5+ armor save. ...and the Razor standard does actually help me against the large number of heavily armored opponents in my meta.
I mean, unless you've got a better banner to suggest for the goblins...
The two small squads are really just fanatic caddies. I was thinking at 2.5 k I would fill out those 2 small gobbo units, add in a couple small characters. With the big unit, I don't have to field it as a horde. I can field it as a horde against other hord-y units or I can turn it sideways to get a really deep steadfast unit.

As general chips said, lose the bolt throwers, they are just plain awful now.

actually, he said lose *a* bolt thrower. They're far too useful for me right now 35 points for a weapon with range, can kill 2-4 dudes with a single shot regardless of armor save? one of the few weapons in my army that has a chance to take down big monsters? I'll take it.

Are you gonna run the orc characters in the goblins? You don't have any orc units that I could see.

Yep, Warboss with the big squad, big boss with either one of the 20-strong units or the trolls.

If you play with random battles (as opposed to just pitched battles) add standards to every unit you can, for the game with breaking points based upon standards.

hmm good point.

[hornywingythingy]

I dunno, I find they tend to roll 1s and kill themselves, I run a pure goblin and troll army, and find it works very well for me.